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To think that I can’t work if DH won’t do any childcare?

446 replies

Crocuses · 16/01/2020 11:40

DH is whinging about me being a SAHM, not working and not contributing my share. He keeps pointing out that SIL works so why can’t I? But he’s ignoring the fact that BIL does his share. He leaves work at his contracted finishing time 5pm and does half of the pickups. He works late on other days to give him enough flex time to be able to do half of the drop offs. He and his wife both took a week of unpaid parental leave when their youngest DC was ill. They take turns dealing with sick days. He does grocery shopping and ironing.

My DH thinks he’s so important and his company absolutely wouldn’t accept him asking for flex time or working from home or being off work, and it would affect his job security and progression. When I ask for any support he whinges that none of the other executives have to deal with childcare because they’re all so important. He finds it embarrassing to have to say “sorry I need to leave this meeting because my son needs picking up at 6pm”. He won’t even text me to say he’ll be late because it makes him look bad, and quite frankly he doesn’t want to. I’ve pointed out that if DS was with a childminder he couldn’t just be late without telling anyone, and he says but DS isn’t with a childminder, he’s with you and you’re his mother so you should just look after him, I shouldn’t have to give his mother a pickup time.

He’s never done a single night with DS because he’s so important, he has to be well slept. I broke my leg and he wouldn’t even take a day off when I went in for surgery, I had to beg an elderly neighbour to watch DC as a one off, and I had to request light anaesthesia because I couldn’t take time to rest afterwards. Even when I had food poisoning and was projective vomiting and begging him for help because I was too ill to look after the baby, he still went to work and left me.

I don’t see how I can work (especially not in the type of career job DH wants me to have) if I’m solely responsible for all pickups, drop offs, sick days, hospital appointments etc? No job is that flexible. And the bigger problem is that if I can’t work I’ll have no pension and no job for when DS grows up.

DH never takes his full holiday entitlement either, apparently they can’t spare him so they often just pay him for his missed holiday. They often phone and ask him to pop in to the office even when he’s officially on holiday. So I don’t see how I can work and cover school holiday childcare if he won’t take his holidays? And he does at least an hour of unpaid overtime every single day so I cook every meal because he isn’t home in time, I do all the grocery shopping and ironing. I don’t know how I can take on all of the family responsibilities and work too?

OP posts:
AlexaShutUp · 16/01/2020 18:23

YABU in saying that you are unable to work if he doesn't pull his weight. If you wanted to work, you would find a way of doing so.

However, YADNBU for not wanting to work if your DH is unwilling to take on his fair share of the housework and childcare.

He sounds like a misogynistic arse. Do you actually want to stay in this relationship? Clearly, he has no respect for you.

8by8 · 16/01/2020 18:24

He doesn’t love you, or care about your welfare.

He risks your health and the safety of his child, rather than inconvenience himself at all.

He talks about earning all the money and says you do nothing.

He’s a twat. And you need to leave him before your son grows up just like him.

So think about all your options.

Do you have family or close friends you and your son can go to, even temporarily?

See a solicitor - what maintenance would you get? And check what benefits you’d get as well.

Are you sure he’d seem unsupervised contact? He doesn’t seem that bothered about your son at the moment.

GrumpyHoonMain · 16/01/2020 18:27

Executive roles are less flexible, it’s true. You have to be on and available all the time - more so if you were elected by the board. He shouldn’t be complaining about you being a SAHM because, if he truly is valuable, then he should be appropriately compensated for his hours to make it more financially viable for you to be at home than at work. If he isn’t compensated then he probably isn’t as high up in the chain as you think he is.

wonderstuff · 16/01/2020 18:30

Big difference between having it all and doing it all. Honestly I'd start a plan to leave. I have had senior jobs since having kids, my dh has shared sick days and pick ups and I have family and friends nearby that can help, with all that it was still really hard work.

DH was once asked by his boss why his wife couldn't go to the nursery to collect our sick child instead, he responded that it wasn't my job, she never asked again.
Not even calling to say he'll be late is pathetic.

PanicAndRun · 16/01/2020 18:34

I broke my leg and he wouldn’t even take a day off when I went in for surgery, I had to beg an elderly neighbour to watch DC as a one off, and I had to request light anaesthesia because I couldn’t take time to rest afterwards. Even when I had food poisoning and was projective vomiting and begging him for help because I was too ill to look after the baby, he still went to work and left me.

I would've left him just for that tbh. What kind of husband and father will your DS be if that's the only example he has?

He might've been a baby then but it will happen again.

MsTSwift · 16/01/2020 18:37

This is terrible! If you are married you’re a team you have each other’s backs! If not....there’s absolutely no point

NoSquirrels · 16/01/2020 18:41

You can’t have what you want if it’s nit also what he wants.

He doesn’t want a non-earning spouse and does not share your opinion that your DS should have a parent mostly at home.

You have a fundamental incompatibility on your views of family life.

Go to counselling, to determine your next steps.

You cannot stay home if he doesn’t believe it I in the family interest.

But neither should you work and do it all with no support, and put up with his piss-poor attitude.

You’ll probably need to accept you can’t have an ideal life at this point.

woodchuck99 · 16/01/2020 18:43

I genuinely don’t know what to do. Only a Proper Career will secure my future and stop DH whinging that he earns the money. But I can’t do that with no support.

People with part time jobs still have careers. What did you do before your child? Would it not be possible to go back to that four days a week? Your DH would have to do drop offs for four days but the rest would be manageable for you especially if you employed a cleaner. If he insists that there is no way he could do that you need to involve someone else e.g. a marriage counsellor or just leave. Continuing to not work when married to someone so unreasonable is not a good idea.

DICarter1 · 16/01/2020 18:52

I don’t think I could put up with him. We have three kids and until recently I’ve been a sahm. But two of the children have Sen.

Your husband strikes me as the type who will never be happy. He wants the family life but he wants you both to earn in high powered jobs but he doesn’t want any of the responsible that comes with a house and a child. I don’t think you’ll ever win. Get a job and you’ll end up working plus all the stuff to do with your son and the house.

The fact he is no patient and is horrible to your son is enough for me to say leave him. Regardless of the lifestyle, freedom and you and your son being happy is a much better option.

Have you got any family that you could move to be close to?

AlexaShutUp · 16/01/2020 18:52

Executive roles are less flexible, it’s true.

Not necessarily. In my experience, the more senior you are, the more flexible you can be. Yes, you're expected to be "on" a lot of the time, but the other side of that is that you get to dictate when, how and where you work.

ClappyFlappy · 16/01/2020 18:53

I’d love to know what his “important” job is. Can’t be that great if he can’t even afford a nanny on his salary. Some sort of tedious, dull middle management job in a mediocre company with a salary to match. Nothing special, just like him.

You do need to try and get back to work for no other reason than being financially reliant on this arse is a very bad idea. I’d be looking at an exit plan. If you put your son staying in a nice house above your own self esteem and worth you’re as bad as your husband. Your son is only 2 so you can’t have been out of the workplace that long. What did you do before you had your son?

Kit19 · 16/01/2020 18:54

I think @MiniMum97 has it spot on. It’s not just that with a job she’d still be expected to do all the childcare/pick ups/drop offs/ arrange whatever is required, it’s that she’d still have all the family emotional labour too. DH clearly regards anything domestic as her sphere. I very much doubt he dies any cleaning/shopping/cooking/remembering of appointments, birthdays etc

OP you’d probably be better off on your own. At least then You’re only having to think of yourself and DC

Confuddledtown · 16/01/2020 18:54

I honestly dont understand the people commenting that she can't stay at home if her husband doesnt want to fund it, but at the same time it's reasonable for her to go to work full time and him not support her??

He wants her to have it all by doing it all, while he has a career woman wife who also can do everything a housewife can. This is insane.

I dont see how the arguement works... she has to pull her weight financially but he doesnt have to pull his weight in terms of childcare/housework??

If he does not want to fund her at home, he has to support her at work. Why is this so difficult to fathom??

Honestly, these people telling her to suck it up and just get a job, give your head a wobble. Shes even stated that hes not happy with her working part time as she wont be contributing enough but its completely fair for him to contribute nothing in terms of support?

I'm sorry but if my husband was demanding that I did all of the childcare, cooking and cleaning and wasnt prepared to compromise on that then he would need to accept that I wont be working as many hours as him outside the home. The issue isnt her wanting to be a lady of leisure, it's the fact her husband is a spoilt man child who refuses to compromise because he wants it all while she does it all.

woodchuck99 · 16/01/2020 18:58

I honestly dont understand the people commenting that she can't stay at home if her husband doesnt want to fund it, but at the same time it's reasonable for her to go to work full time and him not support her??

I don't think anyone is saying that it would be reasonable for her to work full-time and for him not to "support her". They are just saying that even if he doesn't support her it would be better for her to work than to stay-at-home because she needs to have financial independence.

Inarticulated · 16/01/2020 19:00

just some guy with a ‘big’ job

Imaginary big job if he can't afford a nanny.

Just some guy with a big ego.

Leave him op. He's a dick and life will be much nicer for you and your son without him.

Also he have the embarrassment of having to tell everyone you left him, which will be a joy to all the poor women he works with, I'd expect.

fridgegrazer · 16/01/2020 19:04

The more valuable you are in the workplace, the more flexibility you can ask for
I don’t have years to work up to being valued though. I need flexibility now. Starting a new job I think I have to accept I won’t be valued. I’d probably only achieve flexibility by working part-time.

But surely this applies to him doesn't it? If he is valuable in his workplace then he can ask for more flexibility.

woodchuck99 · 16/01/2020 19:04

I'm sorry but if my husband was demanding that I did all of the childcare, cooking and cleaning and wasnt prepared to compromise on that then he would need to accept that I wont be working as many hours as him outside the home.

Whereas most people would tell a DH wasn't prepared to compromise on doing all the childcare, cooking, and cleaning where to go. If you can insist that he needs to accept you won't be working why cant' you insist that he does his share so that you can work?

ApacheEchidna · 16/01/2020 19:08

If I’m going to be a single parent then why am I bothering to stay married to him!

well quite. what exactly is he contributing, and is it worth it?

Snaleandthewhail · 16/01/2020 19:10

I know you feel like you’re doing the best thing of your child, but sharing a room with him if that’s all you can afford will be better in the long term than him growing up to see and (even worse) think that treating your wife like this is normal.

It’s a toughie.

(Good nursery: drop off at 8, pick up at 5.30, omelettes and soups for tea... you can do it)

Nomorelaundry · 16/01/2020 19:11

What is his salary?

CookieDoughKid · 16/01/2020 19:12

FFS, you need to nip this in the bud now. Go get a job for your own sanity and financial security, and leave him to sort out the childcare!! I'd threaten to leave to be honest and leave him with the kids.
(Which I've actually followed through before with a huge fuck you. Needless to say, I got my hubby back on track and grovelling...10 years on I'm still working!!)

Boshmama · 16/01/2020 19:16

Your DH sounds like a wanker. I can't believe what I just read!

Confuddledtown · 16/01/2020 19:16

@woodchuck99

^^I don't think anyone is saying that it would be reasonable for her to work full-time and for him not to "support her". They are just saying that even if he doesn't support her it would be better for her to work than to stay-at-home because she needs to have financial independence.

Op, just get a job.

Just go and do it. Stop fighting it.

^^Whereas most people would tell a DH wasn't prepared to compromise on doing all the childcare, cooking, and cleaning where to go. If you can insist that he needs to accept you won't be working why cant' you insist that he does his share so that you can work?

I agree completely. I had this conversation with my husband, because we are partners. I have worked full time, part time and currently a SAHM depending on how our family circumstances have changed. And well, my husband isnt an unreasonable bellend and by communicating with each other and respecting each other we work out solutions together. The point is the OP has had these conversations with her husband and he isnt budging. He's insisting she works full time, keeps up with all the cooking/cleaning/housework/"wife"work/child work, and is point blank refusing to help or contribute to any of it as it's not his job and other mothers can do it all (while ignoring the support these other mothers have from their husbands)

Embracelife · 16/01/2020 19:18

What would happen if he died tomorrow? Is there life insurance etc? You need to know your finances if divorce or death

Calvinlookingforhobbes · 16/01/2020 19:20

Op, working is the least of your worries. Your son won’t thank you for staying. He will end up just like the role model he has and will be like is father. You can’t afford to stay, for the sake of him. Wise up.

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