Is using disabled toilets to avoid awkward interactions in gendered toilets U?

[Crazyoldmaurice]

Yanbu - no
Yabu - yes

Just seen something online where someone who is 'non binary' has said they have bought a radar key so they can use disabled toilets to avoid awkward interactions and dont feel safe in using either the ladies or gents toilets. Whats the stance on this?

I personally feel that disabled and accessible toilets are there for those who need them due to accessibility reasons only and shouldn't be used by anyone else. I can equally see how using the gents might not feel safe but feel like the awkwardness of using the ladies should be endured considering how awkward someone needing the disabled toilets might feel if they didnt make it in time due to an orherwise able bodied person using their toilet.

Thoughts?

transgendered people are at massive risk of abuse, murder, violent assault

As are women.

@beautifulstranger101

Actually transgendered people are statistically at a far greater risk of assault. Yet on MN it's fine to write them off as attention seekers - that kind of derisive speech wouldn't be tolerated towards women but is fine towards Trans people.

Most normal people hide trans threads on MN because they can't tolerate the level of irrational hate towards them.

Maybe instead of the male/female picture depicting male and female toilets we should have a penis or vaginas image and you go in whichever one is anotomically correct t for you

That's a great idea as current convention of using one set of toilets being indicated by person in a dress and the other a person in trousers could be misinterpreted in a way that most of the population would disagree with.

I never said transgendered people were attention seeking. That was someone else. I am objecting to the view that trans people are vulnerable with no acknowledgment that women are also at risk of assault, rape and violent crime.

Wow, talk about strange, teh op was talking abouta non disabled person using the disabled toilets.
That is wrong, it doesn't matter what the person calls thenselves, if they are not disabled or have continece needs, yhey should just use one of the other toilets.
Its not hard

Able bodied people should use the appropriate toilets for their sex as it was observed at birth.

I've no time for gender nonsense.

Are you disabled? No. So don't fucking use a disabled toilet.

Actually transgendered people are statistically at a far greater risk of assault.

This kind of nonsense for example.

People who identify as 'trans' are not at greater risk of assault and statistically less likely to be murdered than the general population.

Spreading such rubbish needs to stop.

Being non-binary isn't a "condition" though, is it? It's attention seeking nonsense...

Stop you right there. No, it’s not. Gender dysphoria is a serious MH condition, and you need to educate yourself.

Why is it that people who aren't disabled feel free to decide that some other random group of people should just "use the disabled?"
Why do you think so little about the rights and needs of disabled people that you feel like you have the right to do that?

Where did I disclose that I don’t have a disability?

Actually I believe trans activists lobbied hard to have it removed from DSM-5 so I don't think it is considered a mental health disorder any more. Which begs the question of whether medical bills should be paid.

But I didn't think non-binary people suffered from dysphoria. I thought it was solely about identity.

Oops sorry, I'm wrong, it has it's own category now rather than under sexual disorders. But if it's a mental health disorder, why are we supposed to celebrate it?

But if it's a mental health disorder, why are we supposed to celebrate it?

I didn’t realise I was “supposed” to celebrate anything. I am a person with many thoughts running through my head. I don’t follow what I am “supposed” to do or think, I just think.

Nasty jibe about medical treatment btw.

But the bottom line is, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a medical condition or not. There is no such thing as a “disabled toilet”. They are accessible toilets, and as such can legally be used by anybody.

They are designed for people with physical disabilities. I know that sometimes people with neuro disabilities use them too.

Identifying as neither male nor female doesn't fit into either of those categories.

In my opinion, you'd have to be a complete narcissist to get a radar key unless you needed one. With limited facilities one always has to ask who else needs it more.

@Clymene "They are designed for people with physical disabilities. I know that sometimes people with neuro disabilities use them too."

Neurological conditions such as Multiple Sclerosis cause physical disabilities so your comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

Tbh I went into killer and Carter and they had same sex. Toilets and I didn't feel safe. The men's were empty but I just felt ick about the whole thing

Buying a key for the disabled toilet when they don't have a disability is extremely selfish behaviour. They might identify as nb, however toilets are segregated by sex not feelings, so they can use the toilet that corresponds with the biological sex they were born with.

Actually transgendered people are statistically at a far greater risk of assault. Yet on MN it's fine to write them off as attention seekers - that kind of derisive speech wouldn't be tolerated towards women but is fine towards Trans people.

You've got this exactly backwards.

It's WOMEN who are at greater risk statistically and it's WOMEN that no one seems to give a fuck about.

Oh and non binary has nothing to do with gender dysphoria.

Yabu. People have been beaten to death in public toulets because some assholes thought they shouldn't be using whichever toilets are more suited to them. If they feel unsafe they should have access to disabled toilets. Better yet, people should change so they don't feel unsafe.

I thought you meant from the title that women should use the disabled if they don't want to bump into trans women in the ladies.

I'm disabled. I'm ok with this. Seems sensible and better than the alternatives.

Retro - then that's a physical disability isn't it? Honestly, you're not this stupid.