Is using disabled toilets to avoid awkward interactions in gendered toilets U?

[Crazyoldmaurice]

Yanbu - no
Yabu - yes

Just seen something online where someone who is 'non binary' has said they have bought a radar key so they can use disabled toilets to avoid awkward interactions and dont feel safe in using either the ladies or gents toilets. Whats the stance on this?

I personally feel that disabled and accessible toilets are there for those who need them due to accessibility reasons only and shouldn't be used by anyone else. I can equally see how using the gents might not feel safe but feel like the awkwardness of using the ladies should be endured considering how awkward someone needing the disabled toilets might feel if they didnt make it in time due to an orherwise able bodied person using their toilet.

Thoughts?

separate lockable room type cubicles with a larger cubicle of urinals - its the only way we can make everybody feel comfortable & lets have some loos big enough to take buggies & toddlers or disabled who need help & especially more disabled adult changing facilities - hopefully this will mean less chance of queues for women's loos (& that's one of my bugbears about sharing ladies loos)

No thats not a valid reason its for disabilities not for feeling awkward

Radar keys are easy to buy on line ,it costs about 2 quid for a couple ,or them my son isn't physically disabled but he has severe autism and learning disability,s and is in pull ups and he's nine so we use them if we need to as there is more room to change him ,there should be way more " changing places" but that's a whole different issue .

Technically Gender Dysphoria is a mental health issue, therefore a disability BUT it is not one that prevents them using a normal toilet. They aren't going to get worse with their condition if they use a normal loo, surely? It would be like a dyslexic (therefore disabled) person using a disabled loo. It is a disability which has no effect on how you go to the loo!

Oh FFS. The NB person should clearly use the toilets allocated to their biological sex. Nobody else cares about their ‘gender’ (or supposed lack of). Clearly it would be inappropriate for them to use the opposite toilets to their assigned sex, and using the disabled loos is just ridiculous and inconsiderate of those that genuinely need them.

I think the NB person has far too much time on their hands to be giving this so much headspace. Why don’t they feel ‘safe’ in either men’s or women’s? The strong likelihood is nobody else in there will give them a second glance. What do they think is going to happen?

@SheSawHorsesHorsesHorses "Technically Gender Dysphoria is a mental health issue, therefore a disability"

NO, it's NOT a disability! Not all mental health issues are a disability, in fact very few of them are!

@SheSawHorsesHorsesHorses as for "It would be like a dyslexic (therefore disabled) person using a disabled loo. It is a disability which has no effect on how you go to the loo!"

You're really being quite offensive now even thinking about comparing someone with a physical disability to someone with dyslexia!

Dyslexia alone rarely qualifies someone for disability benefits. Dyslexia is a type of learning disability that causes problems with reading, writing, and occasionally speaking. It is the most common learning disability among children, and its symptoms, especially if left untreated, often persist into adulthood.

Why would you feel the need to even compare them?

Retroflex

I am physically disabled myself and have a much needed radar key. and have severe mental health diagnoses which are very disabling.

Whether something is a disability is not dependent on whether you can get benefits surely? I thought disability was how much it impacted your life. I am on ESA and PIP and both disabilities are about how incapacitating your symptoms are, not the diagnosis.

I do agree that dyslexia and mental health conditions aren't always disabilities. Sometimes neither of them impact a person's life that much for them to consider it a disability. And sometimes they do.

That is why people are asked "do you consider yourself to have a disability?" Not everyone who has an issue considers themselves disabled. But another person with the same issue might well do

The reason I chose dyslexia wa sbecause it is an issue that can soemtimes be disabling if severe but it could never affect your mobility.

I have mobility issues. I have to walk with a stick with a claw on the base because of my muscle spasms and loss of balance due to a neurological condition. I was once told off severely by an ignorant twat ona bus for not moving from the priority seat to let someone sit down who had an obvious learning disability. My response was "I am sorry fo this person's issues, but MY disability affects my mobility and I need this seat."

Retroflex

Apologies for any offence caused.It certainly was not intended.

Good night.

Why would you feel the need to even compare them?

You do know that comparing things is not the same as saying they're the same?

Whether something is a disability is not dependent on whether you can get benefits surely?

It's the other way round. Whether you can get benefits depends on whether you're disabled or not. Not all of us want hand outs

People who call themselves the utterly meaningless term 'non binary' are not disabled on the basis of their identity, and should use the provision provided for their sex. Male NBs should use the male provision and female NBs should use female provision.

I agree with this.

You might be/identify as gay, straight, non-binary, a Goth, an ice hockey fan, vegetarian, Dutch, introverted, a keen gardener, an accountant, a cyclist etc. etc.

None of this matters in the slightest as you aren't going to the toilet to glory in expressing any of the above characteristics of yourself - you're simply going to get rid of bodily waste and/or to clean yourself up.

For long-standing safety, comfort and cultural reasons, toilet facilities are usually segregated according to your biological sex and no other factors are relevant whatsoever. Simply go to the one which corresponds with your biological sex, have a wee or a poo, wash your hands and then get on with your day.

If you think you are entitled to use our disabled toilets or blue badge car parking spaces with the extra room for a wheelchair to be next to the car door then go ahead

When karma comes along and actually disables you into wheelchair/crutches/bladder/bowel problems then it might make you think again

Then you might realise how selfish your behaviour was

Toilets are not 'gendered' why does this word get incorrectly used so often!

One is designed for female bodies and needs, the other for males anatomies, they are sex segregated

So you use whichever applies to your sex. . its very simple.

If you have a penise you go to the male.facilities, and so on.

Does this really need saying

A vulva doesn't belong in the penis space for toileting or vice versa.

If the non binary person does not have a disability, visible or invisible, then they are a precious joker who can get to fuck

Signed,

Someone who actually needs an accessible toilet and would wet themselves in public without one, and might have to if forced to queue behind such drama llamas.

Anyone who thinks this is OK has not seen some of the utter pisstaking that already goes on with disabled loos as it is.

What a lot of frothing over ‘something someone has said online’, disabled toilets plus trans issues! Well played op do you have a link at all?

@Thehogfatherstolemycurry that's exactly how I think they should be. Forget male/female just label them penis/vagina and go in the one that matches what you've got.

Maybe instead of the male/female picture depicting male and female toilets we should have a penis or vaginas image and you go in whichever one is anotomically correct t for you?

Not uncommon in parts of the USA.

SanAntonio for real? 😯
I’m trying to imagine how they’ve depicted sex organs and I just keep coming back to bad graffiti drawn by giggling 12 year olds.

As for toilets, there’s already too many other labels used on accessible toilets, that unless you actually fit one of the labels you shouldn’t be using them. NB or enby is not one of them.

Forget male/female just label them penis/vagina and go in the one that matches what you've got.

Including SRS?

@GirlDownUnder sorry, I don't know that acronym.

All the accessible toilets at my work are also labelled gender neutral so I guess some people think it's ok.

Disabled loos are generally known as ‘accessible’ loos now in building design. Give it a couple of years and they’ll be mainly aimed at non-disabled people. This country is going backwards, I swear.

As a mum of a severely disabled child, very U. I could write for 10 minutes why, but trust me when I say don't do it.

Maybe instead of the male/female picture depicting male and female toilets we should have a penis or vaginas image and you go in whichever one is anotomically correct t for you?

Based on the things I have heard about modern dating, if there was just a picture of a disembodied penis above a door, might some women not think that it leads to some sort of speed-dating lounge.

Anyway, in principle the accessible toilets should be left for their intended users. But not sure I would get too harsh with someone who had a genuine feeling of being under threat if they went into the males.

I find keeping my beak out of others toilet use helps my well being enormously.