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Anyone found guilty you think is innocent?

279 replies

louise5754 · 15/01/2020 16:29

Lots of crime series around lately.

It does make you think especially ones where people have been accused of murder but there was no body or DNA.

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Nirvana1979 · 30/01/2020 00:30

You know its so sad to think people are locked up when they are innocent.

Luke Mitchell, i dont think he is guilty and fucking hell, how long has he been behind bars?!

I watched the Jessica Chambers docuseries too. I thought her boyfriend was innocent right up until the end. Then hes been charged with another murder? Honestly its made me think hes guilty. I just dont get his motive though...he seemed like a really nice sweet guy too. I'd be a nightmare on a jury.

Jenasaurus · 12/11/2020 15:59

@jimmyhill

(not found guilty except by the court of public opinion. She hasn't even been charged yet.)
Interesting you say that you think Lucy Letby is innocent. she has just been charged for a 3rd time tday for the murder of 8 babies and attempted murder of another 10

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54913047

DarkMintChocolate · 12/11/2020 16:11

Ever since Levi Bellfield was convicted, and his modus operandi was hitting women on the head, its seemed to me, the killing of the Russell women was likely to be another of his crimes and Michael Stone is innocent?

Survivor12345 · 12/11/2020 16:48

I think Jeremy Bamber is innocent of the murders of his family members, but he might well know who did it.

Equally, I am amazed that the awful, grasping Boutflour family who benefited so hugely from the deaths were able to 'contribute' so much to the prosecution case.

A tragic case all round.

nosswith · 12/11/2020 17:26

I'm not sure about Richard III and the boys in the tower.

Butchyrestingface · 12/11/2020 17:37

I'm quite intrigued by the Jeremy Bamber case as there are a few unanswered questions.

I read a couple of the books on the murder years ago. So long ago I can remember no detail other than forming the impression that at worst, a guilty man got framed. I thought he was guilty as hell and the only injustice was that his girlfriend wasn't enjoying a long stretch at Her Majesty's Pleasure as well.

For me, I think Maxine Carr, sort of. She was acquitted of the lesser offence but many people still felt she knew what her boyfriend had done after the fact and helped him cover it up. Having watched her police interview, I was far from convinced of that.

Feministicon · 12/11/2020 17:38

Lots of the OP’s on AIBU 😂😂

shamalidacdak · 12/11/2020 19:40

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

Adnan Syed (series one of Serial).
Wow he was so guilty. He had motive and a car and time unaccounted for. So glad he lost his appeal
Butchyrestingface · 12/11/2020 21:55

Jeremy Bamber, received a whole life tariff but having worked at the prison, many will say if he just admitted it, he would have been released as he's most certainly "reformed".

They do say murderers are the among the easiest to reform. They fixed their problem, innit. Jeremy Bamber would be a case in point.

borntohula · 12/11/2020 22:00

Amanda Knox and Brendan Dassey.

AgeLikeWine · 12/11/2020 22:05

Another vote for Barry George. I never, ever believed he was capable of a professional-style execution, which is what happened to poor Jill Dando. He was blatantly fitted up by the Met, and I was delighted when his conviction was quashed.

AgeLikeWine · 12/11/2020 22:12

@jimmyhill

Lucy Letby
Steady on. Ms Letby is innocent until proven guilty.

None of us have the first clue what the outcome of this case will be, if & when it comes to trial, because we have no idea what evidence the police and CPS have against her. Let’s hear the evidence before we start making judgments about her guilt or innocence. Speculating at this stage is completely inappropriate.

Userzzz · 12/11/2020 22:21

Agree with PP on Amanda Knox. She is weird as fuck but there was no evidence.

Livelovebehappy · 12/11/2020 22:25

Definitely Jeremy Bamber. I’ve read books and watched documentaries, and evidence since then suggests to me that it was his sister who took her life after killing the rest of her family. I recall the police stood outside the house with Bamber after the shootings when one of the officers said he saw a shadow walking around inside the house, which to me threw doubt on his sister being dead. It’s bizarre that when up for parole, prisoners are looked on favourably for release if they confess, but what if they aren’t guilty? They’d be confessing to something they didnt do to get out of jail sooner.

IhateBoswell · 12/11/2020 22:26

Steady on. Ms Letby is innocent until proven guilty.

You’re addressing the wrong poster. They actually share your sentiments.

I agree with Dai Morris being innocent.

Veterinari · 12/11/2020 22:26

Wow he was so guilty. He had motive and a car and time unaccounted for. So glad he lost his appeal

@shamalidacdak
Except the time unaccounted for didn't match the forensic lividity evidence, and he had an alibifor the alleged time of the murder, and Jay's testimony was coached/has changed multiple times and Adnan has no actual motive. But sure there's a guy in jail on the basis of unreliable eyewitness evidence, so sure, we can all be assured the justice system is safe 🤷‍♀️

Whereas Hae's current boyfriend (Don) forged his time sheets to make it look like he was working when she was killed then told everyone, that she'd moved to California. Odd behaviour for an innocent man...

Veterinari · 12/11/2020 22:31

@Kalifa - what evidence?

There was nothing forensically that tied Amanda to the scene and no coherent narrative that gave her the motive or opportunity to collaborate on Meredith's murder.

It's an incredibly sad case but also a clear example of the need for the media/public to vilify women associated with criminal cases.

Survivor12345 · 12/11/2020 22:32

Livelovebehappy and I find it significant that Jeremy Bamber has passed a lie detector test.

I agree that there was evidence that Sheila died much later than the others.

However, as I said, I do think Jeremy may have known who did it.

NilesandDaphne · 12/11/2020 22:37

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JamaicanJamboree · 12/11/2020 23:16

Steven Avery & Brendan Dassey

Steven Avery was long thought of as a trouble maker from a bad family, many of the local police hated him and couldn’t stand the fact he had been proven innocent and was about to receive a huge payout for being wrongly convicted and serving 18 years in prison. In the series at least 3 officers seemed to think he still committed the sexual assault in the first case even though DNA evidence clearly proved it was someone else. Plus prior to that there was so much other evidence showing it wasn’t him and he had several alibi’s. All that was ignored. This all meant that he was prime suspect in the Teresa Halbach murder. It looks to me like several pieces of evidence were planted and manipulated to incriminate him. Everything was stacked against him and as for that vile prosecutor Ken Kratz, he was one of the worst for playing the media and hiding evidence.

Kathleen Zellner has worked tirelessly uncovering so much new evidence and has indicated several other suspects who could have murdered Teresa. It seems that none of them were ever seriously investigated. The justice system so far seems to be refusing to hear the new evidence, it all seems completely wrong and unjust.

Brendan Dassey was so obviously coerced into confessing at the age of 16, he has learning disabilities and this was in no way taken into account. He had no legal counsel and his mother wasn’t present in the first interview. The lawyer Len Kaplinsky then sold him down the river and was working with the prosecution to get him to ‘confess’ and further incriminate himself along with that awful investigator. As far as I understand it he has now exhausted all possibilities of a retrial and is stuck in prison for another 30 years at least. It is such an injustice and so sad to see. His only hope is if Steven Avery is proven innocent, this might mean he would get a new trial or be released.

The worst part of it is that Teresa and her family have not received the justice they deserve and the actual killer(s) have been left to roam free possibly committing other serious crimes. Which is exactly what happened in the first case, the perpetrator went on to attack at least one other woman - another life ruined.

I find the whole thing so awful, the US justice system is completely inept and unfit for purpose. If you have money you can often get away with crimes but if you are poor you are basically fucked.
I don’t see the British justice system as being much better in some cases. Legal aid has been cut right back and again money talks with legal representation.

Snaketime · 12/11/2020 23:20

Johnny Depp

yawnsvillex · 12/11/2020 23:23

Agree with you @JamaicanJamboree

It's the most hideous case ever, shocking

Corrupt police department

JamaicanJamboree · 12/11/2020 23:45

@yawnsvillex - Yes indeed they are corrupt and woefully ignorant too.
Plus I can’t understand how Len Kaplinsky and Ken Kratz weren’t prosecuted for their actions. I understand Kratz surrendered his licence but I’m not sure about Kaplinsky. How many other innocents have they thrown to the wolves? But I bet their pensions and futures are left intact.

jessstan1 · 12/11/2020 23:55

Oscar Pistorius.

yawnsvillex · 13/11/2020 06:40

@jessstan1 not in a million years! He's a nasty bastard. That comes from someone I know who trained with him.

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