Harry and Meghan Resigning Act Three

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...Scene One?

I think we probably do need a third thread.

Interesting article there about the Queen and her family / custody etc.

Is everything coming from Bradby basically authorised by H&M? He is a close confidante of them after all (apparently) so I doubt he’d say anything to risk jeopardizing that relationship. But maybe I’m way off the mark.

I think you can pretty much guarantee that H&M are using Tom as a mouthpiece. Everything he says to the press he will have been asked by them to say. They want their side of the story putting across but aren’t currently in a position to do so themselves.

Also to be fair to Grace Kelly she married a head of state which Meghan did not. The restrictions would have been even harder for her.

Head of state or not, there is hardly a comparison between the Grimaldis and Windsors.

Grace Kelly married the ruler of a tiny Principality, often referred to as a "sunny place for shady people". Rainier's mother was illegitimate and had to be legitimised by adoption so that the succession could continue, otherwise Monaco would revert to French control.

The law of 1918 actually says "shall, whether by marriage or adoption or otherwise, pass only to a person who is of French or Monégasque nationality and is approved by the French Government."
This was done to prevent a German heir claiming the title.

Ironically the Grimaldis were often looked down upon because of their scandals even up to fairly recent times.

Canadian celebrities are far more capable of free travel than the RF.

The Cambridge’s seem to be able to manage their jaunts to the Maldives ok.

And Beatrice and Eugenie were holiday queens for a while there, weren’t they?

All right Laurie. Whatever you say.

What's the difference between Kate and Meghan?

There was some nasty comparisons but no more than normal I think. Unfortunately it's pretty normal for women to be pitted against each other an compared. It happens on the reality tv shows, and with women presenters and judges all the time. I don't think the criticism and hateful comments to Meghan were any more than most of the celebrities get who are trolled. It doesn't make it right but I think others just take the rough with the smooth more, they ignore it and grow a thick skin. It seemed that Meghan couldn't do that. She wanted everyone to like her which wasn't going to happen. Especially when you are choosing to speak out about controversial topics. Don't do that if you don't want people to disagree.

I think the difference was that unfortunately Meghan got off on the wrong foot with the press initially because of her family situation. This was gold for the press so they went with it. Then she was seen as being sensitive and releasing statements about press invasion which made it worse. They knew it was getting to her so it made it worse. Then she made a few mistakes with outfits and royal protocol so that made it worse. Then they start talking about controversial issues and preaching about climate change. Whilst at the same time refusing to give information and pictures to the press. So this made them follow them and criticise them even more and so it went on. They needed to just go along with the main roles, events and photo opportunities and shut up a bit and then I think they would have been left alone. They were seen as easy bait.

Is it because the United States doesn’t recognise titles and therefore they couldn’t work their brand from there?

Whether they have the titles anymore is irrelevant. They are Harry and Meghan/Meghan and Harry, they are already famous, have already made the important friends they need to become even more famous. The money for them is in America, where they will be championed as underdogs who were victimized by the RF and the UK.

ka-ching.

I don't think the criticism and hateful comments to Meghan were any more than most of the celebrities get who are trolled

Time to haul out the link again.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/amp29812271/meghan-markle-lawyers-false-tabloid-stories-explained/

I would love to know the inaudible bits on the Disney video. As well as good ole Bob squirming, the expression on the face of the woman there is fascinating. All big royal grin but then her face goes to ‘no surely not’ to disbelief.

I am sure Ann Widdecombe said that Mm would be trouble back in the BB. House. How perceptive.

I’m not saying it is all MM’s doing. PH isn’t helping himself at all. But he is foofstruck and she was disingenuous - she’ll have known fine who he was from the get go. He wasn’t going to get a look in if he’d been a plumber or ordinary squaddie.

Has she had a fair trot sometimes? No. That I will concede. But everyone knows about the perils of joining the royal family with regards to press scrutiny and she joined.

I feel sorry for William. Bonds like theirs don’t break for no reason.

The law about custody dates back the King George I. It’s never been repealed, but nowadays the monarch customarily defers to parental wishes. It’s about how royal children are raised and educated, and there primarily for the protection of the children.

Given what happened to Princess Diana when she stepped out of the royal safety net, (more reliant upon none royal security and staff) I don’t think security for H&M&A will be downscaled. H as I said previously has his own baggage as a military veteran who actually was in combat. Hence why there needs to be some serious talking and negotiating around the implications of what they want to do. It impacts way beyond just their little family, and naive if they don’t fully understand this. They can walk away from Royal duties, but never from who they are and how history will judge them. Let’s not forget that the lady asking to try and sort things out was thrown into an unprecedented situation by a couple doing exactly this. It might be over 80 years ago, but the Queen is only the Queen because her parents stayed behind and took over while Uncle David walked away.

But what are we saying? She should have been able to foresee everything at that point? Her feelings aren’t allowed to change?

All the more reason for them to NOT HAVE RUSHED INTO MARRIAGE before she’s had chance to really spend a lot of time over here and see how she felt about it more long term before making it permanent.

And before anyone spout the old ‘but they wanted children and she’s running out of time!’ BS, she’s 38. 38!! When they first got together she was younger than that, women commonly have children up to age 40 with no difficulty, and it’s not as if they couldn’t have afforded IVF (though I know that’s no guarantee).

I just think it was foolish BEYOND BELIEF, to get engaged and married to a fucking PRINCE and move to another country where you’ve never spent more than a couple of weeks at a time, in such a short space of time. Harry should have known better than to rush her into the life like that and she’s not an idiot and should have done a bit of thinking and research herself as well. The pair of them carry as much of the blame as anything else, but they are determined to blame everyone and everything else.

I can't see how a high-profile marriage between someone who openly hates the press (for their own good reasons) and someone who (at least in the past) had to openly court and manipulate the press for their own career advancement would ever work.

If PH and MM had continued and followed the 'never complain, never explain' rule I think they'd have been accepted and allowed their relative privacy and could have perhaps been a real force for good. Making demands (Wimbledon photo thing) and being seen to react to criticism is great for the press as it just gives them something else to write about. To go on and then start complaining about your lot just fans the flames.

With the amount of energy the media puts into telling women that their fertility is in steep decline after 35, I can absolutely understand that the 38 year old would want to get a jog on.

And as for Harry, all previous girlfriends turned him down. I’m sure he was jumping at the chance to get married.

In a perfect world, yes they would have waited years. But we don’t live in a perfect world and there were very understandable reasons not to delay.

There is no way in hell they will stay married ...They married in haste because she wanted to lock in the Prince, ditto pregnancy to secure the position. He was an idiot who fell for the manipulation and now she literally has everything she ever wanted

I admit the suspicion was there, but while I've honestly tried to avoid thinking the same right from the start, it now seems increasingly unavoidable. As said, I just hope she at least resists using Archie as a pawn and that Harry's still able to see plenty of his little lad

If PH and MM had continued and followed the 'never complain, never explain' rule I think they'd have been accepted

I don’t think anyone should have to put up with the press making up lies to make them look bad.

Do you?

These threads are ridiculous, I honestly don't get the amount of hate they get, people get so obsessed over complete strangers!

He will begin to resent/blame her for taking him away from his family soon
How the fuck do you know it's HER fault? He's a grown man with a mind of his own, how do you KNOW it's her telling him what to do?
Truth is you have no idea what's going on unless you know them very personally.

Truth is you have no idea what's going on unless you know them very personally.

Oh the numbers on here who are clearly intimately acquainted with them would blow your mind

With the amount of energy the media puts into telling women that their fertility is in steep decline after 35, I can absolutely understand that the 38 year old would want to get a jog on.

I would expect her, in her privileged position, to seek personalised informed medical opinion. And given that they seem to have had Archie promptly it would seem that those fears were totally unfounded.

I don’t think anyone should have to put up with the press making up lies to make them look bad

It kind of goes with the territory if you’re Royal. The rules the rest of them follow are there for a reason - because they work. There’s a tried and tested way of dealing with the media, they all follow it and it serves them well. Whether the stories about the Sussexes are true or not, they pale into insignificance compared with the rough ride Camilla got, she didn’t react publicly and they gave up. Harry just pours petrol on the flames.

If - and everything is speculation - that H and M want to ultimately build the Sussexroyal brand and be part of the US celebrity circuit then divorce in the future would damage that. Hopefully, they are v happy as a couple and divorce will never feature anyway.

there were very understandable reasons not to delay.

Given who she was proposing to marry I would think there were more numerous serious and valid reasons supporting a delay. And the situation they are now in bears that out really.

i would expect her, in her privileged position, to seek personalised informed medical opinion.

Who would not be able to tell her with any certainty whether she’d be able to get pregnant.

As people are told time and time again on here, you don’t know anything about your fertility until you start trying. The earlier you start, the more time you give yourself should there be problems.

that H and M want to ultimately build the Sussexroyal brand and be part of the US celebrity circuit then divorce in the future would damage that.

Oh do give over. Divorce is a hobby in the US, it didn’t stop her snagging a prince.

It kind of goes with the territory if you’re Royal.

Not outright lies no. Posting the link again.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/amp29812271/meghan-markle-lawyers-false-tabloid-stories-explained/

Much as all royal wives get flack from the press, I don’t think that Kate/Camilla had to deal with actual falsehoods, presented as fact, to make them look bad.

By all means post if you can think of examples.