Harry and Meghan Resigning (Part Two)

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Following on from the previous thread, someone asked for another to be created.

Here it is.

Leighhalfpennysthigh

I completely agree. I know some people think it's strange that so many people are getting quite invested in all of this but it's because I find it all quite offensive. I mean, of course people asked her if she was ok. She didn't get dumped on a ward post c section in a crowded hospital with poor care and then discharged to a dismissive HV and a drs surgery with no appointments. (None of this is on the scale of what you mentioned and your parents sound incredibly strong) All that stuff about 'thriving not surviving' and how a stiff upper lip is harmful sounds great if your job is to talk about wellbeing but when your job is to represent and to serve the British public then it's just offensive. How on earth does she think the rest of us live!? We don't have the choice of taking 6 weeks off when it all gets too much.
I also find it just quite sad that almost everyone (obviously minus the usual weirdos that will scream and shout all over the internet about most women) were really excited about her and the wedding and Harry finding the right woman for him and she has basically turned her back. She's had the money and the house, the big wedding and the birth here and now she can't even bear to stay in this country for more than a few days. This is a beautiful and tolerant country, full of selfless people doing incredible things and wonderful charitable endeavours and she has shown barely any interest in that at all. All she needed to do was some normal boring engagements and she has made it seem as though that's beneath her. Did she even venture beyond London?
I think a pp mentioned about opening supermarkets etc as if it's a terrible fate but I just can't understand what is bad about visiting a children's hospital up north or opening a community centre. Why isn't that good enough!?

BigChocFrenzy

I didn't see any

Maybe you just didn't see them.
Maybe the posters were shouted down.
Maybe you read papers where it wasn't covered.

There will always be those that paint Charles, Diana, William, and Harry etc. as whiter than white and they will always be deluded fools

But some of us have been calling them out for ages and have been shouted down or ignored.

It shows how trivial the RF is - and how fragile the support for any one of them

That's how it is when a head of state doesn't have an electoral mandate behind them,
but does have umpteen relatives, any one of whom could fall into a serious scandal like Andrew

A monarchy inevitably has dozens of minor royals, because they need at least one spare every generation, the spare has kids, so do the other siblings ...
That doesn't happen with an elected head of state

Meghan is getting a lot of blame, but I wonder if the driver of it is Harry. At the end of the day, he was young when his mother died and he saw her being pressured by the press (which some thought caused her mental health decline) and then being harassed by the media to her death. He now had a young son and is seeing the same harassment being aimed at his wife and I think he can see history repeating itself and wants to protect his own family. Who can blame him for that.
I agree with this. he has had a longstanding hatred of the press ( as has his father). of course he changed when he met Meghan. He very quickly became a husband and father, so of course he's changed. he spent a lot of time being the third wheel to Wills and Kate. he's not going to do that when he has a family of his own, is he? He's the one who's been brought up in the family. he knows the protocol, he knows the aides and he knows the deal with the press. He's willingly gone along with binning all of it- yet his wife will get the blame. Because she's a Commoner, not Royal, not British.

How is this worse than what PA allegedly did? Apparently the Queen is more upset about this than PA!
I agree with the poster upthread, that wrote Meghan doesn't put up with the crap her family get up to and it made PH look at his family and think that he doesn't want to put up with it's dysfunction.

Although I do think they are both hypocrites over their environmental beliefs.

boneybackjohnson There wasn't this national hatefest after the Nazi insignia

I want the whole RF to go, but the monarchy should end in a civilised way, after the Queen dies.

I feel uncomfortable about the sheer hate and illwill towards someone who just didn't fit in with the royal fantasy so many had
and towards the man who chose her

Great Post planeplane

So no, it wasn't about cutting Harry out of the picture. As the son of the future King he was very much "in".

Rather, what's been reported is that Charles was trying to avoid a monarchy littered with extended family such as the York sisters and he was instrumental in refusing to give them official royal role
But how long realistically would Charles be King? 10 years? Then Harry is the same as the Yorks. Brother of the King. But now he's a bitter man in his 50's who has done nothing but cut ribbons and been the the spare wheel on the Royal bandwagon.

I read that Andrew has always insisted that all the "non-blood" royals bowed or curtsied to him whenever they met in an RF do

So all the spouses had to do that, except presumably Kate

*But how long realistically would Charles be King? 10 years?

So what was the rush? They could have worked towards this over time.

Couldn't agree more with @Leighhalfpennysthigh

@Planeplane a powerful post. I admit that as I never had a baby I know little about post natal care other than the horror stories I read in here. For all the women who have gone through that, I hope that you are ok niw and hope that you had someone to ask you how you were.

My parents didn't have a stiff upper lip - they weren't British and many aspects of British life confused them. What they did have (my father still does as he's alive still) is supreme empathy for people who have gone through a difficult time. They never sought to make out that their experience was worse than anyone else's and they never stopped being grateful for the life that they were able to have here and, indeed felt lucky. Apologies to my dad for referring to him in the past tense as he's very much alive and annoying my dogs!

I read that Andrew has always insisted that all the "non-blood" royals bowed or curtsied to him whenever they met in an RF do

That would only apply to Kate or Meghan if they were around Andrew without their husbands, which would be rare at big events

@Leighhalfpennysthigh
Your parents sound like amazing people. Thanks for the great posts.

Just read this on their website

"They will continue to proudly do so by supporting their patronages and carrying out works for The Monarchy within the UK or abroad, as called upon."

As called upon eh? I can just see them hopping on a plane to cut a ribbon in Bradford.

Perhaps one of their ‘solutions’ is for self-cutting ribbons

I think there is a lot of emotional unfinished business from Harry’s childhood relating to his parent’s marriage, divorce and his mother’s death.

Getting married and becoming a father himself will have naturally brought this up. Especially the way the press has treated his wife, it must remind him of how his mother was treated. If the rumours about William’s infidelity are true, then that will have brought things back as well, not to mention Andrew’s behaviour. The last few years must be like reliving his childhood in some ways, history repeating itself.

No wonder he’s bolted. I do wonder if when he met Meghan, he saw her as his escape route. She managed to make a life beyond the members of her family who were dysfunctional, build something in life for herself.

For various reasons, he’s always known he’d be sidelined one day, so all those things above taken together have added up to “Better to jump before you’re pushed” on some level for him.

Will the royal family even want to call upon them to do things if they continue with this behaviour?

I won't look at that website again. It's aggravating on so many fronts, lol.

There was an ex Marine on Twitter who was not chuffed at the reference to H's senior role with the Royal Marines referred to as a patronage.

So who is planning on buying a "sussexroyal" hoodie and bog brush then?

I'm sorry, I've not read the whole thread, but Prince Andrew's associations with Epstein and Co are far more worrying than the behaviour of Harry and Megan. I agree with someone who postulated on another thread that the Queen is using this story to distract from the really bad one about her favourite son.

"However, I do think they should be provided with full security and body guards and not left vulnerable like Diana was."

Diana was offered continuing official security, and very famously turned it down. She could not however refuse it for the Princes when they were with her

I saw on the bbc news yesterday the Queen was aware they were thinking of this. They had discussed it and she told them to put it in writing, they didn't want to because it will be leaked. They were forced into doing a written statement, which was leaked. So they decided to announce it as it is leaked anyway.

@LEELULUMPKIN The article I read said they'd trademarked 100 items 'from pencils to socks'. Who would want either? If those are the best two examples of their goods, I can't imagine how this would work.

I think the work she did with Grenfell was good. I liked that she brought her mother. I also felt the criticism and nasty laughing at her about the banana writing was unkind and childish. Because bananas often figure in comedy sketches the British Benny Hill contingent had to Carry on Laughing. Actually it wasn't funny and she tried her best to make a gesture/contact with some women who have very rough lives. Not laughable at all.

I'm sorry for that and I actually think that, given time, she could have made a difference.