AIBU to think there’s no justification for eating meat and dairy any more?

[AnnoyingVegan]

People are educated now. People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet. People know it’s causing an unprecedented climate crisis. People know it causes untold cruelty to animals.

So why are people still doing it? There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of. What is going on here?

The number of people I’ve seen on social media breaking their hearts over Australia shooting wild camels and horses because they drink too much water while still eating beef blows my mind.

@AnnoyingVegan

You never eat soya as a vegan? It's in most bread!

You make your own choices. Leave others to do the same

^ This.

Everyone lives the life they want for themselves.

Live yours as you see fit.

Meat tastes amazing, as does cheese and milk and cream etc. I won't be changing bugger all!

OP please can you provide some evidence to support that we could actually replace (locally) the calories we currently generate from grazing lamb in Scotland, using the available land in the UK?

What you will find is that we need all that land to be economically productive and generate food for our population that doesn't need to be flown in from elsewhere, and that meat is probably the only viable use of that land.

@eminencegrise I did a version of the Fife diet for a couple of months (only eating produce grown within 10 miles of where I live) and fuck me it was grim veggie pickings in the winter!

I ended up changing my local farm veg box to a 'Mediterranean' version as I was basically stockpiling turnips. I hate turnips. Of course, that involved flying veg in from abroad or trucking it up from that there down South, so really what was the point?

You can't grow much in Scotland OP. The oat crops are starting to look dodgy because of the rain. Tea is coming in though cos of the wetter climate, so that's all good.

I don't know about Scotland, but where I live in Ireland there is hardly any land that is any good for growing crops. You see fields of potatoes. And some of the counties further south have apple trees. But other than that it is mostly sheep.

I read a book once about eating only local produce, grown within a 30 mile radius. If I did that, and went vegan as well, I would have to live on potatoes and seaweed.

Vegans like you , who ram this down people’s throats are why so many people hate vegans.
People would be a lot more susceptible to the idea if it wasn’t done by trying to shame them and send them on a guilt trip by doing what’s always come naturally to them their whole lives .
You catch more flies with honey.. oh wait , you can’t eat that either

Love meat. I eat it around 6 days a week. This will never change whilst I'm alive.

I’ll check back in the morning @AnnoyingVegan for your answers and economic planning ideas but I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that actually you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about and quite possibly haven’t totally thought this through.

Because I like meat I like dairy. I like veal fish butter milk eggs.
For Christmas we raised our own turkey and he was very yummy.
I love animals more than most people especially people who tell me how I should live.
And if world is about to end because we eat the wrong so called diet of meat n dairy you better run I'd be surviving cuz I'd be eating you.
So shut up and get over yourself

And what does high welfare meat mean to you? Don’t just trot it out as a trite, self-soothing phrase. What does it actually mean to you?

OK, I’ll bite.

A good life (free from disease, pain in a well-managed natural habitat) and a good death (quick, as painless as possible).

And before you ask, yes, I’d probably prefer a quick death as painlessly as possible myself, thanks very much. Alas, such certainties are not on offer.

Our council has no allotments. We live in a flat, no garden. Please go and check your privilege.

You never eat soya as a vegan? It's in most bread!

I make my own bread. It has flour, yeast and water in it.

Lol. No way is a single allotment plus garden producing anywhere near your annual requirement of fruit and veg . No fibbing now

Our council has no allotments. We live in a flat, no garden. Please go and check your privilege

Are you on the waiting list? It took me 7 years to get my allotment but it’s been the best decision of my life

Lol. No way is a single allotment plus garden producing anywhere near your annual requirement of fruit and veg hmm. No fibbing now

I think you just don’t know that much about growing fruit and veg

And you wonder why people think vegans and bloody annoying and preachy?! Mind your own god damn business. Vegan stuff tastes horrible most of the time. I can just about be a vegetarian 3 x a week. I don’t care if you want to be a vegetarian, a vegan, a pescatarian, a turtle, a table ,a bespoke cabinet or a vase - but stop trying to make others believe and be what you think is best. Let them decide for themselves.

@AnnoyingVegan

I make my own bread.

Yeah of COURSE you do.

I want to ask two questions, and they will sound goady but they aren't, they are genuine.

1 Do you own any clothes or items which are made in factories in China or Cambodia?

2 People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet. People know it’s causing an unprecedented climate crisis please could you provide your authority for this, ie link bonafide widely accepted research

I do think you are right about cruelty but I would like to see the research on which you are basing your other views. Thanks.

There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of I don't think that this is true, that there are substitutes with the same nutritional content - there are substitutes you could use, which may or may not taste similar, but that isn't the same thing. Also, it is difficult to verify the contents - there are going to be companies which are abusing what is effectively the latest trend, to make money. There always are.

I'll be completely honest here. I like meat, I like dairy. I am human and we evolved as omnivores for a reason. I have no children and by the time climate change has any effect on peoples lives, I and everyone I care about will be long dead. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just couldn't give a fuck.

You telling me your bread contains no oil?

Really?

I'm an indirect vegan ... I only eat animals that eat plants

There's no justification for not moderating your intake of meat and dairy.

Now come on TigerOnATrain, a doorstep of home made bread is fantastic slathered in salted butter with a hunk of cheese

Soon ,op a few more years ,people struggle with change ,even when that change is for the best
Your not wrong in the slightest