AIBU to think there’s no justification for eating meat and dairy any more?

[AnnoyingVegan]

People are educated now. People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet. People know it’s causing an unprecedented climate crisis. People know it causes untold cruelty to animals.

So why are people still doing it? There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of. What is going on here?

The number of people I’ve seen on social media breaking their hearts over Australia shooting wild camels and horses because they drink too much water while still eating beef blows my mind.

Are you on the waiting list?

Um, no, because there isn't one. What part of 'no allotments' do you not get? It's in W. Scotland. PMSL, so you've got an allotment with a greenhouse, a garden as well and access to some whole foods shop. We live in rural poverty. There's a Co-Op and a small Morrison's here, not even an Aldi or Lidl without traveling for miles, which is costly. But we have local butchers. Yum.

I live in a farming community. The lamb I buy to eat grows up in the fields I walk through with my dog. I also sometimes walk far enough up the hills to get to the farm my milk comes from. They have a cow brush in the yard. The dairy cows can rub up against it to scratch their itches! My eggs come from the free range place I drive past on the way into town. The beef and pork are local too. The animals live out doors. At this time of the year the farmers are dropping in extra feed. Sometimes we take pheasant after a local shoot.

When I say higher welfare that’s what I mean. All my meat and pretty much all my dairy comes from a farm I could walk to. The animals don’t look in great distress to me.

I work from home, have an only child and holiday in the UK. I recycle, use reusable stuff where possible and generally try to be green. I buy as much local veg as possible too and never buy any without reading where it comes from. I make all meals from scratch.

I’m comfortable with my choices, I don’t want to eat a vegan diet. I love my dog and want to stab anyone who uses the term “fur-baby”!

If we when did not eat beef. Cattle would make likely be an extinct species by now. The throat being slit would not be there if not for farming.

Good grief you are a tiresome bore. Aggressive with it, too. I don't think you're going to convert anyone, who on earth would want to be like you?!
Just as an aside, one assumes that as a trendy, animal loving, righteous vegan, you refuse all modern medicines when you are ill? Or is your allotment-funded vegan diet so perfect that you don't get sick like us meat and dairy eating savages?

Almond milk

I think there are downsides to everything. Being tolerant makes the world a better place.

People pretend to hate vegans because we’re annoying and preachy but the real reason is your own guilty consciences.

Most of you couldn’t kill an animal yourself. Most of you would be sickened by a slaughterhouse. Most of you would cry if you were forced to watch chicks being ground up alive, or a dairy calf slaughtered. Most of you couldn’t slit the throat of a lamb, or butcher it’s carcass. The horror of it would sicken you, and you would cry, and you would be haunted by it for months after. You know all of this, and you can’t bear to think of it. So you react defensively. You push your guilt away and pretend that vegans are the extremists, when you’re the ones with blood on your hands. You have to frame vegans as the bad guys, because if you looked to closely at the horror you’re actually paying for you would sicken yourselves.

I know it. You know it. You’re all just pretending otherwise.

I’m going to bed. Peace out, bloodmouths.

When are the angry vegans going to realise telling meat eaters they're "shoving carcasses into their mouths" just makes people less inclined to be vegan.

You catch more flies with honey (pun), vegans.

There's no justification for not moderating your intake of meat and dairy.

Because people don't need a justification. There, fixed it for you.

You are very lucky you can eat bread and pasta, not everyone can...diet intolerances reduce what a lot of what people can eat. Not everyone can be vegan.

Have you ever actually been to Scotland?

Yes, I'm Scottish.

Farmers can still grow fruit and veg in Scotland as many do.

Yes on the East Coast. The Western Highlands are essentially a giant peat bog. You can't grow any crops there.

If we stopped farming sheep, we wouldn’t need to use the land they graze for anything.

You want to save the planet but you're actively encouraging people to let their nearby land lie fallow and be reliant on imported food?

You jsut told the person who said their council doesn't offer allotments to get on the waiting list?

I don't hate vegans, I just don't give a shit. As a farmer's daughter, I'm fine with butchering animals to eat. Not a problem.

Because meat tastes good? You can make your life choices, and others can make theirs.

Most of you couldn’t kill an animal yourself

Have done. To stop it suffering.

Next pointless and unrelated point?

Bore off..
Stop preaching!!
The little miss perfect attitudes amongst Vegans and the like, is wearing thin.
You live your life.. I'll live mine.

I grow plenty. 3 apple trees, a cherry, a mulberry. I also grow strawberries.

I've got a cabinet greenhouse and I'm bloody good with tomatoes.

To really last through winter on a vegan diet you'd need a hell of a lot of root veg. I swap with my BIL for beetroot, potato, carrots, onions etc from his allotment, and while we can manage with not too much from shops in the peak 2 or 3 months it would never last all year. I can only assume your diet features a lot of other food that you don't produce yourself.

Bore off!

I'm actually looking for someone to change my mind on margarine.

I am doing veganuary right now and it is wonderful. Agreeing with the OP, there is virtually a plant based substitute for all meat and dairy products.

BUT. Isn't margarine essentially just melted down plastic, additives and a load of sugar? I just couldn't bring myself to eat it knowingly. Before anyone comes at me re "just have dry toast!" I'm talking about cakes and other desserts that are vegan.

Please someone tell me I'm being silly re the margarine thing...?

I have halved my meat consumption and switched to oat milk. If you told me I could never have another beef burger, I would shrug my shoulders.

However, giving up cheese?
I think I need a support group.

I do enjoy a well-crafted creative writing exercise, although the OP certainly loses marks for being unnecessarily verbose.

As an aside I’m now toying with the idea of Bloodmouth as a new username.

Also, giving up cheese for a month is pretty awful but if I can do it, other cheese addicts can do it.

Some people eat meat, some people don't.
Some people force their beliefs and opinions on others, some don't.
Some believe they can change the world by not eating a chicken sambo, some don't.
If you eat meat, congrats you're keeping farmers in jobs and supporting families.
If you don't way meat, congrats you're saving animals.
If you are vegan, congrats you are saving the world.
I personally eat meat and I love it.
If you don't then go you.

I'll be completely honest here. I like meat, I like dairy. I am human and we evolved as omnivores for a reason. I have no children and by the time climate change has any effect on peoples lives, I and everyone I care about will be long dead. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just couldn't give a fuck

I have to admit, there's a huge part of me that feels this way too.

I have nothing against vegans - I just have this need to piss off people who lecture and preach to me about how I choose to live my life.

Most of you couldn’t slit the throat of a lamb, or butcher it’s carcass. The horror of it would sicken you, and you would cry, and you would be haunted by it for months after.

What rot. Not if you grew up rurally and in a place where people home slaughter. Then it's just your norm. Again, you're projecting your own emotional responses onto people.