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AIBU to think there’s no justification for eating meat and dairy any more?

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AnnoyingVegan · 09/01/2020 21:11

People are educated now. People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet. People know it’s causing an unprecedented climate crisis. People know it causes untold cruelty to animals.

So why are people still doing it? There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of. What is going on here?

The number of people I’ve seen on social media breaking their hearts over Australia shooting wild camels and horses because they drink too much water while still eating beef blows my mind.

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GenderfreeJoe · 09/01/2020 23:54

I don't care that much 🤷

TiddyTid · 09/01/2020 23:54

Oh and to get used to seasonal food again. Strawberries is January? Where are they from? We are used to supermarkets and the choice they give.

TheMaddHugger · 09/01/2020 23:55

well this has been interesting. Goady, but interesting.

AIBU to think there’s no justification for eating meat and dairy any more?
Windmyonlyfriend · 09/01/2020 23:58

If there are vegan athletes they will have not been vegan for long.

Well, it’s not an ‘if’, there most definitely are, a quick google search brings up some pretty high profile names.
To be fair, it’s not so easy to find out how long they’ve all been vegan for, but off the top of my head I do know that one of the most successful ultramarathon runners of all time, Scott Jurek, has been vegan for at least 20 years.

MiniMum97 · 09/01/2020 23:59

I don't have a guilty conscience thank you. God you really are condescending and rude. It's people like you who give vegans a bad name.

And I know a lot of vegans, a big chunk of my family are vegan and I had almost completely vegan food at my wedding (rest was vege). I love vegan and vegetarian food and eat lots of it. I just don't think being completely vegan or vegetarian is healthy.

None of the vegans I know are as rude and up their own arse as you have been in this thread. Get down off your preachy high horse and you might find that someone actually listens to something you have to say.

MiniMum97 · 10/01/2020 00:00

None of the vegans I know are preachy at all. That's just you.

Motheroffourdragons · 10/01/2020 00:00

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ahenderson270 · 10/01/2020 00:03

@AnnoyingVegan

My middle son is celiac and a vegan diet would probably kill him eventually.. mostly likely through malnutrition.

It's mostly all processed nonsense.

We are omnivores. I agree the mass farming and the treatment of animals in the food chain is revolting and MUST change. But you will never tell me that billions of years of evolution led humans to the dietary point we're at and it won't have any long term negative affects on the general well-being of humans that we cannot yet predict .. such as smoking or thalidomide.

@MaxNormal Bloodmouths is my literal hogwarts house name .. I started it as of right now and Salazar Slytherine is PISSED he wasn't as inventive as this shit!!

cherish123 · 10/01/2020 00:05

I agree there is a problem but a lot of the substitutes are fowl. Some are also overly processed.

Catsandchardonnay · 10/01/2020 00:05

If we were to meant to eat meat we wouldn’t’ve had those pointy teeth. Also it wouldn’t’ve tasted nice.

I hate all that vegan shit that looks and tastes like meat but isn’t. Wtf is it? A load of chemicals that are really bad for you I’ll bet. No thanks, give me a bacon butty any time.

cherish123 · 10/01/2020 00:06

Sorry.fo

cherish123 · 10/01/2020 00:06

Sorry foul

Titsywoo · 10/01/2020 00:06

This whole vegan obsession is doing my head in. Hopefully it will go out of fashion soon and everyone will shut up about it. Climate change etc cab only really be changed by a reduction in population. All this shit is just about making people feel like they are doing something to help aka shutting everyone up. Yeah animals should be treated better definitely. But not eating them at all? Most of those buggers would eat us without a care in the world.

eaglejulesk · 10/01/2020 00:09

So eating meat an dairy is disastrous for the planet - and cars, planes, plastic, the throwaway society are not so bad? I think there are bigger things we can do than change our diet.

AnyMinuteNow · 10/01/2020 00:12

Yes, people who think animal abuse is morally wrong are obvs batshit mental.

This just sounds completely irrational. Confused

Animal abuse?

Animal abuse is everywhere and needs to stop wherever it is.

Animals killing other animals all the time. Performing humane slaughter is very different! Very!

Accusing people of suppprting animal abuse is twisting and abusive.

NellieEllie · 10/01/2020 00:15

I think if you realise how much land is given over to production of monoculture crops to feed dairy and meat livestock, with a huge array of pesticides and how this destroys diversity of insect/mammal/bird life, how huge scale meat production units are poisoning water supply, rivers with overwhelming amounts of livestock excrement, how the Amazonian rain forest is being steadily destroyed to provide grazing for meat and dairy cattle, destroying the lungs of the world, how the excessive demands on the soil means that we have only about another 60YEARS before THE LAND IS COMPLETELY BARREN, then as uncomfortable as it is, the current means of providing food will just have to change. Yes, you can point to having pets or children or cars but it is the way we produce our food that will HAVE to change, or starvation will become an issue in our children’s lifetime.

Other things about vegan food. Yes, the new array of vegan processed food is largely NOT healthy. It is useful occasionally. Vegan food for me, though should not be about Quorn or Greggs sausage rolls, but good healthy fresh ingredients. Using a mix of veg, pulses, nuts, herbs, spices, seeds, you can make delicious food. Vegan cheese? Not really. There are some delicious products made from nuts being fermented with cultures, but they are horrifically expensive. The standard cheese substitutes from the supermarket are not great, and not really healthy though can work on a pizza. The fact is for the planet and for animal welfare, some people are prepared to make a sacrifice.

Oh, PLEASE could people not say “oh, look at soya! That’s a terrible crop all you vegetarians”. Something like 80%or more of all soya grown is for animal feed for the meat and dairy industry NOT food for humans. If all we grew was FOOD not FEED there would not be a need for such vast areas of monoculture. Animals produce in meat something like 10% of what they consume. It’s a terribly inefficient way of producing food - in terms of the food they need to consume AND the water required, AND the resultant soil depletion.

This IS a real emergency. It is all too easy to go on about vegans being holier than thou and preachy. Just about any environmentalist or ecologist agrees that the meat and dairy industry is probably doing more than anything else to destroy the planet. Liking meat, wanting to continue eating it, or dismissing vegans as trendy woke idiots just wont change that.

Lucifer666 · 10/01/2020 00:18

Haven't read the whole thread but I've read enough! This is why people hate vegans because they're so narrow minded and utterly supercillious twats who are always right and never wrong! They're 100% unwilling to hear anyone else's point of view if it doesn't fit in with their precious ideals! Let people live their lives their way be it meat eaters or vegetarians its a personal choice. Personally vegans like you OP piss me right off with your constant harping about how great your lifestyle is and how everyone should conform to it! I have nothing against vegetarians or vegans choosing to live that lifestyle in general each to their own, but ramming your lifestyle choice down people's throats and attacking their choices just because you disagree with it IS WRONG. Perhaps if you stopped that OP people would be more inclined to listen to you.

TheDarkPassenger · 10/01/2020 00:19

My dads a farmer so I’m good with my diet thanks. Although I don’t drink milk because, well, it’s weird, I’ve seen too much. I’m also coeliac so would severely limit my food intake, which is dangerous as I have an ED.

Also, I don’t cry at polar bear videos but I do quite like my dog, and her disgusting carnivorous ways

TheHagOnTheHill · 10/01/2020 00:21

When will some people learn that if you don't insult others instead of changing their minds they dig their heels in.
There is a rise in bit B12 deficiency as people thing not eating dairy and milk is all it takes to achieve a healthy vegan diet.
The majority of fertilisers used in this country and many others is based on chemicals made from oil.Im not sure what organic fertilisers the OP had in mind but the state of the world's soil is a concern due to over cropping and the use of fertilisers.
I would love an allotment but there are non near me,the nearest are 10 miles away,by car and I can't go on the waiting list because I am not local!
Finally the use of 'literaly' peppered in the OPs posts ,why?
There's nothing wrong with being vegan,or vegetarian or omniverous and if we could only buy what we needed and threw no food away as waste that would make a big difference.But food is not the main driver of climate change.
I would be vegetarian but I can't give up jelly babies.

Besidesthepoint · 10/01/2020 00:21

I've been vegan in the past for 6 months or so. Could have been a year but certainly nog longer than that. Never felt worse or had worse skin in my life. No thank you.

NellieEllie · 10/01/2020 00:23

Interesting article. From the journal Science
josephpoore.com/Science%20360%206392%20987%20-%20Accepted%20Manuscript.pdf

SilverySurfer · 10/01/2020 00:23

I read a book once which said that vegetables screamed (silently, of course) when pulled from the ground.

I've googled but can't find the book but found this: www.lifeadvancer.com/plants-feel-pain-research-emotions/ so looks like you're no better than meat eaters.

AnyMinuteNow · 10/01/2020 00:24

Well fuck the US for their demand to force their hormone fed beef and bleached chickens will be central to any trade deal .

Well, no deal then.

Why should we start supporting shit US meat production.

As a population, us and those around me and from watching trends there is far less meat eaten now.

It was considered that a meal had to have meat to be complete. Like the pp, we have many vege or vegan meals.

I have many concerns about the over processed foods that cost the earth yet have very poor nutrient and potentially harmful content.

SaaauuusierGrrr · 10/01/2020 00:24

@AnyMinuteNow

Accusing people of suppprting animal abuse is twisting and abusive.

You're accusing people who point out animal abuse of being abusive towards people who support animal abuse?

Okaaaay.

Camomila · 10/01/2020 00:27

Not everyone can be a vegan and stay healthy (eg, allergies, iron absorption issues)
I couldn't even manage being a vegetarian, I didn't have a period for the entire time I was one.

We only eat meat/fish a few times a week though.

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