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Were you spanked or hit growing up in the '80s (or earlier)?

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SilverSurfer2020 · 06/01/2020 09:13

I grew up in the 80s and while I was only "spanked" once by a male teacher at primary school and never spanked or hit by my parents (that I can recall) ... I was very aware of the ever present talk of rulers, canes, hitting at the rural primary school I attended, of stories of older children having been hit, and on too of that my older siblings were hit occasionally by my parents.

Was this normal for the time?
I always got the impression it was fairly normal for people a bit older than me, and further back.

I wonder what impact it had on their (and our) perception of physical violence within families, partners etc.

What do you think?

Aibu - no, it was not common.
Aibu - yes, it was common.

(The impact question is not part of this aibu just looking for additional opinions. Maybe I could do a separate aibu for it).

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AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 06/01/2020 11:26

Forgot to add my ballet mistress used a stick that she would run up and down our spines and if we were not standing straight she would use it to tap our bums or shoulders or whatever offending part was in the way of her straight line. She was really old and had been a prima ballerina, this was how she was taught. Everyone was afraid of her.

Sparklybaublefest · 06/01/2020 11:27

no, the boys queued up outside headmasters office, for the cane.
one boy was hit with the wooden chalk rubber afaik
apparently it was outlawed in 1986
i thought it was earlier

i was hit on the legs once by my dm

Whatisthisfuckery · 06/01/2020 11:28

I started school in the mid 80s so smacking was outlawed by then. My parents on the other hand were great fans of giving us a good hiding, sometimes with slippers or other weapons. Not so much my mum, who’d only smack us on the legs, but she’d wait till dad got back, then get him all riled up so he’d chase us up to our rooms throwing things at us and shouting, then wallop us. I suppose what my mother did could be considered abusive as she’d tell us off, then things would go back to normal and everything would be fine, then when dad got in from work she’d start up again out of nowhere. I remember when I was very small being hit when I didn’t know what I was supposed to have done.

It’s not so much the hitting that bothers me as an adult, it was the constantly feeling scared about what would happen when dad got home, and the thinking things were all fine and sorted, only to have mother start again getting dad all riled up and angry later. The hitting wasn’t all that bad in comparison. I do remember however him pushing me in the stomach, winding me. I fell backwards onto the stairs and hurt my back, then him looming over me and screaming into my face. I hurt for days after that.

The one thing however that I really can’t forgive is my dad hitting me when I was 18. He actually did it loads but I think something snapped in me that time so it sticks out in my memory. I was watching something quietly on the telly or finishing a drink downstairs or something, can’t remember what and he insisted I go to bed. I refused as I wasn’t done with what I was doing and I said I’d go up when I’d finished and I wouldn’t be long. so he hit me. I think it was when I realised that he wasn’t doing it for my own good, which is what they’d say, it was just because he was losing control. I wonder how many other adult women he’d hit. The answer is none, or I certainly hope it is.

He has a nasty temper my dad and he can’t control it. Thankfully he never hit my mum but he didn’t think twice about lashing out at me and my sister.

Actually take that back, I don’t forgive any of it. My dad has always been my mother’s puppet, she’s emotionally abusive and manipulative and he has a vicious temper. Put those two things together and you have a pretty awful environment for a kid. Up until a few years ago I would have said it never harmed me, but as I’ve got older it bothers me more. I’ve had a few moments with my own DS when he was young where I’ve lashed out, I’ll admit that. I was having a difficult time myself and I wasn’t being a very good parent. I’ve done a lot of work in the last few years though and I would never do it again. I feel awful about it now, even though compared to what I got it was nothing, but I recognise the loss of control and that’s not something I’m proud of.

My dad has dementia now and my mum is looking after him. His nasty temper is now directed at her. I must admit there’s a tiny part of me that thinks it’s karma, as she loved to weaponise his temper against us. I know that’s an awful thing to feel though. Unfortunately for my parents neither me nor my sister are falling over ourselves to help due to the shitty way they’ve treated us over the years. They haven’t been very nice during our adulthood either, especially my mum. She has started on us out of the blue for no reason and accused us of some awful things, none of them remotely true and she abandoned me when I was breaking up from my abusive violent XH and losing my eyesight. The only tiny thing I’ve ever asked of her she ignored my messages and calls. I guess you reap what you sew in that respect.

SilverSurfer2020 · 06/01/2020 11:29

everything I did seemed to drive my dad mad but he was too polite to ask me to move out.

But not too polite to slap your face or trap your hand in a drawer.

Sorry I'm not getting at you - I just found it ironic.

I know someone who is otherwise loving, kind, responsible - and who is not like that the vast vast majority of the time .. and who is in conflict laden, stressful for circumstances - behaving like that is a headfu k and not simple.

MN wisdom says "zero tolerance" go no contact etc but is it realistic.

I'm glad you were able to forgive and rebuild a relationship if that's what you wanted.

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SilverSurfer2020 · 06/01/2020 11:31

My dad has dementia now and my mum is looking after him. His nasty temper is now directed at her. I must admit there’s a tiny part of me that thinks it’s karma, as she loved to weaponise his temper against us. I know that’s an awful thing to feel though

No, it's not.

I'm sorry about your childhood.

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Whatisthisfuckery · 06/01/2020 11:32

Out of interest, is the behaviour I’ve described above normal for parents in the 80s/90s? My parents always said it was, and we were getting away with less than we deserved. I believed them then, but now I don’t think it was normal though, or at least not the way it was carried out.

SilverSurfer2020 · 06/01/2020 11:34

apparently it was outlawed in 1986
i thought it was earlier

Do did I, for some reason I thought it was 1980.

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Candymay · 06/01/2020 11:35

@Butchyrestingface by my parents. My father had a gun. My mum did the punching and scratching.

loserssaywhat · 06/01/2020 11:38

Born in 80, smacked on the hand with a ruler and also with the hand across the legs at school.

I vividly remember both times and I know I was no more than 6 because I changed primary schools very early and I was never physically punished in my second primary school.
Horrible practice.

WeeSleekitTimerousMoosey · 06/01/2020 11:41

Born mid 70s and have vague memories of the belt being used when I was in the early years of primary school, but only on older pupils not us wee ones. It must have been banned, at least locally, about 82.

My parents tell me we were smacked occasionally but I have no memory of that at all.

What I do remember is a lot of violence between children/teenagers, more so the boys but plenty of fights between girls too. Lots of one on one fights and also lots of organised fights between schools, plus people getting jumped by groups of half a dozen and beaten up.

The world is a much less violent place now (actual war zones excepted).

zen1 · 06/01/2020 11:44

I started school in the mid-late 70s and very occasionally children were sent to the headteacher to be smacked. When I switched primary schools in the early 80s, one teacher still used the cane on boys and the ‘knuckle-racker’ (whatever that was - I never saw it) on girls. There were only ever a couple of times these punishments were administered. My dad used to smack us sometimes.

AJPTaylor · 06/01/2020 11:47

I was smacked at school as a 6 year old. I still can't imagine what I could possibly have done.
Parents smacked us routinely but same with friends. Smacked one of mine once.

WeeSleekitTimerousMoosey · 06/01/2020 11:47

According to Wiki

In 1982 two Scottish mothers went to the European Court of Human Rights, who passed a judgment that parents had the right to refuse corporal punishment of a child.[1] This judgement led indirectly to the use of the tawse (and all other forms of corporal punishment) being banned by law in UK state schools. The legislation came into force in 1987, but most Scottish local education authorities had already abolished it by the early 1980s

Which tallies with my recollection.

PickwickThePlockingDodo · 06/01/2020 11:50

It is scarring and traumatic

Not for everyone though. We were smacked (on the bottom) at home when really naughty but at the end of the day we knew we were loved and it has had no lasting affect. But reading about the pinching, punching and scratching (wtf?) on this thread is really unnerving and crossing the line into abuse.

flirtygirl · 06/01/2020 11:52

I was smacked as was all family kids and extended family and everyone I knew growing up. I have smacked both my kids. I received corporal Punishment at school also.

PickwickThePlockingDodo · 06/01/2020 11:53

What I do remember is a lot of violence between children/teenagers, more so the boys but plenty of fights between girls too. Lots of one on one fights and also lots of organised fights between schools, plus people getting jumped by groups of half a dozen and beaten up.

The world is a much less violent place now

Yeah, now the kids just stab each other Hmm

loobyloo1234 · 06/01/2020 11:53

Confusing vote. Yes I was smacked, only at home - and very rarely. Never at school

No long term damage but I don't agree it is the best form of discipline and was rightly made illegal

Daisychainsandglitter · 06/01/2020 11:54

I was born in 84. I was smacked by my mum and stepdad but never ever at school.
I never even grew up hearing that children were smacked at school so I'm guessing this must have stopped by the time I started school in 88.

flirtygirl · 06/01/2020 11:55

I also knew I was loved and I have and had no problem with it. It kept us in line up to a certain age. The same with the younger generations in my family. We have all actually discussed this and the younger ones if they want to have kids have said they see no problem with it and would probably do the same with their children. (if they have any, most don't want any children due to environmental concerns or due to wanting to be more carefree than they saw with their own parents.)

IamPickleRick · 06/01/2020 11:55

Whacked all the time, arbitrarily. Never at school, I was a very nervous, quiet and shy child. Probably from all the whacking at home.

JesusMaryAndJosepheen · 06/01/2020 11:56

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Arnoldthecat · 06/01/2020 11:56

Surely in this modern era, we should also have a vote on the number of children smacking their parents and/or teachers?

flirtygirl · 06/01/2020 11:57

Also smacking is not illegal, leaving a mark is. It's a widely held misconception that smacking is illegal in this country.

Scotland outlawed it in the home in 2019. Yes only last year.

Purplewithred · 06/01/2020 11:57

Born in 1958, convent school 1962-1975. Mum smacked me just once - I was about 8 and being a brat, she warned me, I did it again, she made me hold out my hand and smacked it with a wooden spoon. I thought it was pathetic - just not in her character and a really ignorant action - she never did it again. Interestingly we discussed it a few years ago and her memory is of doing it more often, she was pretty nonplussed to know how unimpressed I was by it and how it belittled my view of her.

At school - no physical punishment, the nuns were far more subtle in their punishments, and much more effective.

Soundbyte · 06/01/2020 11:57

Smacked by both parents but never at school. Interestingly my OH who is five years younger than me was never smacked at home but he was at school, it was rife where he attended and some of the stories I’ve heard from him and his friends are appalling!