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Challenge 25 ID policy.

321 replies

Wayland1 · 04/01/2020 13:22

Hello,

What do you think of the policy that requires shops to ask for ID from anybody who looks like they are under the age of 25 when they buy age-restricted products?

It's stupid because all people have to do to get around it is to just put the money on the counter and walk out with the item they are buying. But the notices are still nonetheless very unpleasant to have to look at.

What do you think?

Challenge 25 ID policy.
OP posts:
Starisnotanumber · 07/01/2020 16:05

Like has been said before a provisional driving licence costs at least 34.00 and allows you to drive or at least take lessons, a passport allows you to travel and costs 77.00.
Maybe you don't want to drive or travel why is there not a cheaper acceptable form of ID just to show how old you are. For people on restricted incomes it's a large outlay

Sparklingbrook · 07/01/2020 16:32

I did link to the Citizencard which is £15 upthread.

www.citizencard.com/apply-for-a-uk-id-card-online

Freddiefatpants · 07/01/2020 19:02

I have a citizen card, more to prove my ID when collecting parcels from the post office than buying alcohol!
And to prove my ID for things bank transactions etc. It's been handy in a few situations, I've used it for proof of ID (alongside other stuff) for jobs where you have to prove your entitlement to work etc. I don't have a driving license or passport. The card was £15.
But people don't see why they should do they? Because as this thread demonstrates, it's perfectly acceptable to demand someone else risk fines, criminal record and prison sentences so they can have what they want unquestioned and it's a want, not a need. It's more to do with how we perceive service staff than anything else.

Sparklingbrook · 07/01/2020 19:04

Yes, it's interesting to see all the 'reasons' why people think it's unnecessary. Failure to see the bigger picture really.

kanikke · 08/01/2020 00:12

I had to show ID for an Amazon delivery of paintbrushes a few weeks ago.

Not sure what that was all about.

FishCanFly · 10/01/2020 10:42

But people don't see why they should do they? Because as this thread demonstrates, it's perfectly acceptable to demand someone else risk fines, criminal record and prison sentences so they can have what they want unquestioned and it's a want, not a need. It's more to do with how we perceive service staff than anything else.

I worked in services myself, ok. And these ID checks are obviously totally random, and on people who obviously shouldn't need to be pestered. And comments regarding "compliments" and "flattering" are just outright rude.

VenusOfWillendorf · 10/01/2020 11:22

I live in "Europe" - Switzerland. One of the two main supermarkets (Coop) does ask for ID for alcohol (either at the check-out, or it alerts for alcohol if you go to the self service) - you certainly can not just put down money and walk out. In fact, they will only sell any alcohol to over 18s, even though the legal age on beer/cider here is 16.
The other main supermarket (Migros) doesn't sell alcohol at all.

Freddiefatpants · 10/01/2020 12:05

worked in services myself, ok. And these ID checks are obviously totally random, and on people who obviously shouldn't need to be pestered. And comments regarding "compliments" and "flattering" are just outright rude.

The word 'pestered' says it all really. Whether you worked in services or not. I don't insinuate I'm being flattering or giving a compliment when asking for ID, I simply ask for ID, serve if it's provided and don't serve if it's not.
I've worked for companies where you had to challenge X amount of customers a month, regardless of if you actually needed to or not. To prove that the challenge scheme, which is a mandatory condition of the license, is being used. Quite frankly I'm more interested in not getting disciplined than not 'pestering' anyone. I wasn't allowed to say "Well I haven't had to challenge anyone because no one appeared too young" my common sense wasn't enough, I had to be able to prove it, so they could prove it to the licensing authority.
And they are quite tough. A business fairly local to me have had their alcohol and entertainment license removed for things posted on Facebook, not even actually breaking any laws, the license holder was considered to no longer be a suitable person, what he posted was pretty damned awful, but it didn't break any law. Holding an alcohol licence is a privilege, not a right and you need to demonstrate you're a suitable and responsible person to do so. He demonstrated the opposite, so he's lost that privilege along with his livelihood.

Blame the laws that create the situation, the companies that don't train their staff properly because it costs money, the requirements that need to be adhered to in order to get and keep a license. Not the bottom rung of the ladder that face out of proportion punishment if they don't ID and at worse abuse, at best being accused of being thick, idiots, having no common sense, being on a power trip if they do.

As I said before, I'm really not in the slightest bit interested if someone wants to drink themselves insensible, give their 5 year old a whiskey every night because it's legal, or whatever else they want regarding alcohol, but as the concequences from not following company policy, up to actually breaking the law, are for me, I'm going to do what I can to make sure I avoid those concequences.

The only way to stop this situation is to ID everyone who wants to buy an age restricted item, the only way to not rely on perception which obviously differs from person to person.

And again, it's a want, not a need. No one was harmed or died from not being able to buy a bottle of merlot to go with dinner. There's such an entitled attitude around alcohol, like you're refusing something essential to every day life for a laugh.

Badabingbadabum · 10/01/2020 12:16

Unpleasant!?

I wish I was asked. I'm 34, no checkout person has even begun to question that I am over 25 for years. Blush

SerendipityJane · 10/01/2020 12:23

I wish I was asked. I'm 34, no checkout person has even begun to question that I am over 25 for years

I deliberately use the self service tills so someone has to come over Grin

Badabingbadabum · 10/01/2020 12:26

Even then, they just beep their little card and press the "over 25 button"! I really want to say one day, "am I? Have you asked me?!" But I don't have a driving licence (well, I have an expired provisional somewhere) so then I'd have to leave Tesco without my delicious wine. But with my point made...

BlaueLagune · 10/01/2020 12:28

And again, it's a want, not a need. No one was harmed or died from not being able to buy a bottle of merlot to go with dinner. There's such an entitled attitude around alcohol, like you're refusing something essential to every day life for a laugh

This isn't just about alcohol. There are a lot of age restricted items and I would argue that medicine is a need, not a want.

And if you are correct about companies targeting staff to challenge people, that is ludicrous and needs to stop and proves the policy is a nonsense.

What I don't understand is why staff don't challenge their superiors about some of these policies, they are literally on the shop floor doing the job day in, day out. Not just this but things like having to chase people round the store asking them if they want something or having to upsell at the till etc. Large companies usually have forums for this sort of thing.

andyjusthangingaround · 10/01/2020 12:33

reported

SerendipityJane · 10/01/2020 12:37

Even then, they just beep their little card and press the "over 25 button"!

Yes, me too Sad

No one was harmed or died from not being able to buy a bottle of merlot to go with dinner. There's such an entitled attitude around alcohol, like you're refusing something essential to every day life for a laugh

I feel a glass of wine with a good meal and excellent conversation is a gift from the Gods and the high water mark of civilisation. It's the ultimate choose-any-two-out-of-three for a decent fallback Grin.

FishCanFly · 10/01/2020 13:09

I wish I was asked. I'm 34, no checkout person has even begun to question that I am over 25 for years. blush

So you look your age and feel sad that you're no longer mistaken for a teenager? Oh dear, how sad indeed.
well i'm 37 and its not something i appreciate. Because i'm sure if i tried to date any of above posters' 20yo son, none would be amused that "oh, you look under 25, might as be just 17"

Pop2017 · 10/01/2020 13:23

If I remember rightly the system was in place in 2010. In 2010 I turned 18 and took my Id to Tesco to buy some alcohol. I wasn’t asked for ID and I was absolutely gutted. At 18 I must have looked at least 25 😭 spent my 18th birthday feeling shit about myself.

Bizarrely a couple years later. I was in a store with my friend (same age). She didn’t have her id so we went to a till where a girl who was in our form at school was serving. She wouldn’t serve us it without Id. I know there are laws etc but we were 20 years old and went bloody school with her
So she knew we were old enough! Nuts!

I think it a good system tbh. I’ve always looked older as I said and I could have probably bought booze at 15 based on how old I looked.

Zaphodsotherhead · 10/01/2020 14:04

As someone who works in a small supermarket (and often has to ID people) can I just add a plea?

When you flip your wallet open to get your driving licence out, please make sure that you aren't displaying to me your little bit of paper with your PIN written on it, your NI number, and any other personal information that YOU might want to keep close to hand but will be an absolute gift to anyone who wants to steal your identity or money. And please encourage elderly relatives who may forget their PIN to either use contactless technology or to write their PIN in some form of code.

People often have their wallets flopping open in front of me for easily long enough for me to memorise their NI number, their name and address and often their DOB (if I'm looking at their driving licence). And older people often write their PIN on the inside of their wallet.

CustardySergeant · 10/01/2020 14:35

andyjusthangingaround "reported"

Huh? Why? Confused

SerendipityJane · 10/01/2020 15:00

andyjusthangingaround "reported" Huh? Why?

Why not ? Grin

I always find it sad and amusing in equal turns when posters feel the need to post "reported" on a thread, as if (a) anyone gave a shit, and (b) it actually meant a hill of beans.

The fact that it's entirely possible to report a post without drawing attention to the fact undermines the motives of those that do.

Although I guess the flip side is people who claim to have reported a post, but haven't really.

And the tiny number of people who think the way you report a post is by posting "reported" as if it has some magic powers Grin.

andyjusthangingaround · 10/01/2020 16:36

@CustardySergeant - nobody can be this stupid!
So the only explanation for me was that the OP is a ‘troll’

Dustarr73 · 10/01/2020 16:40

@BlaueLagune a supervisor can sell you at the alcohol from the kiosk.

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