To ask if you think there will be a second coming?

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This is inspired by the new Netflix show Messiah, about a second coming.

I really hope this doesn’t upset or offend anyone and people can share their beliefs and thoughts openly and without prejudice or judgement as I know this can be very sensitive for some people.

Following on from —binge— watching this series I did a bit of googling and it seems both Christian and Muslim regions predict this. (Not researched if any others do yet)

I’m not very well informed about different regions but the concept of this programme has really interested me, I find it fascinating that this could, maybe? actually happen!

Do you think there could be a second coming?!

(And what would it actually mean for the world? A rise in consciousness? Mass healing???)

YABU - no don't be so daft!
YANBU - yes, this could happen, why not?!

I believe in the second coming, but as a Muslim I’m not looking forward to it. The Antichrist will come before him, who I certainly don’t want to come across.

Yes there will be another series of Ozarks .
Seriously I have faith and I am not sure there will be a second coming or that I e in that. I don’t need a second coming because I believe in God if that makes sense.

I totally have faith there will be a second coming. I believe the bible to be true and historical records have proved things in the bible happened (historians, archealogists etc) So I believe the book of Revelation will happen too. I am waiting to be ridiculed but stand firm in my belief

I can't believe you're waiting to be ridiculed. I'm surprised it hasn't happened years ago.

Well it seems he is here already

www.google.co.uk/amp/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/08/heres-how-wed-really-know-that-trump-is-the-antichrist.html

I agree with @cornettoninja

I was a born again Christian but my scientific beliefs are at odds with evolution. So I believe there is truth in there. I believe in jesus. But I cant take it word for word ( gospel truth maybe?) As evolution is my core belief.

So the four riders? Yes maybe, but I wont look like that. It will be in form of global warming etc.

Also in the day of the internet where everyone wants to be unique and special, how could anyone be heard?

JW have interesting ideas on the second coming. I think every religion involves a judgement day? I'm sure we get that once faced with our own deaths but maybe you get to judge your self. If your a narcissist your laughing

My belief is that Jesus was just a teacher he did exist but wasn’t supernatural. He was charismatic and didn’t say he was the sin of god. I think his message was ‘we all the sons and daughters if god’. The Romans didn’t like the fact people were following him so latched into a part of what he said and crucified him. He was close to death but hadn’t actually died when he went into the cave. Back then there would be many mistakes made. He came round and this was what people believed was his resurrection.

I think Mary was just a teenage girl in trouble. She would have been about 11-13 years old and was an unmarried girl in the Middle East. Joseph apparently believed her after an angel came to him in a dream....how many of us have had bizzare realistic dreams?

Jesus was hyped up by his followers.

It's all fiction. Stolen from various other sources that predated Christianity.

I'd love to read some of your sources for this, because the only sources that have ever been provided for this particular fallacy are incredibly shifty, non peer-reviewed, non-scholarly pieces of vicious prose that seek to destroy Christianity due to the writer's particular bias. If you are talking about ancient Egyptian Gods and Greek mystery religions, then any robust evidence we have for practices of their followers (eg Mithras) can only be dated to post-Christian times, and it's widely accepted that it's far more likely they borrowed Christian rituals than vice versa.

It's the same for those saying Jesus never existed and there is no evidence for him having done so; the vast majority of scholars - both christian and atheist - completely disagree with this position which has largely been spread by a bunch of people in the 19th/20th centuries, non-scholars, and upheld by pretty much only one serious present day scholar. It's just untenable - the amount of near-contemporary history which mentions Jesus' existence and a number of facts about him which correlate with gospel accounts is actually substantially higher than for most other figures of antiquity, including figures we would never doubt the existence of such as Alexander the Great. There is simply too much material which stands up to historical method, both biblical and extra biblical.

To the OP - yes! But I've no idea what that will look like. Nothing like the right wing conservative rapture theology, though, is my sneaking suspicion... More like ultimate justice that finally puts a broken world to rights and demonstrates the love of a God who longs for all creation to be redeemed and restored. I agree there are many charlatans and tricksters, but I reckon wed know the real thing, somehow...

he was an RE teacher not a religious preacher.

• There are many who do both...

For anyone interested in this topic im reading a pretty eye opener of a book at the moment called the warning-testimonies and prophesies of the illumination of the conscience. Highly recommended it.

Of course there will be. We cannot predict when it will happen, however, and I am afraid a lot of us, including me, will be found wanting when it happens.

Yes and I think we're living through the book of Revelation now, have thought that for some time! Not sure which bit we're currently in. And I see Revelation as being more symbolic than literal, so yes global warming rather than actual massive dudes on horses etc.

I do, partly because if you watch the world around you closely and what the powers that be are trying to push on us, they are trying their very best to go against the bible and Christian teachings. If you really go down the rabbit hole you’ll recognise that they are serving the opposing side. I won’t go on about it but look at how genders are being broken down and children being sexualised. They are trying to break down the natural creation and create a baphomet ideal. Deep I know but if you’re interested you will research it yourself

'Deep'? It's about as deep as the usual tinhattery conspiracy theories, and by 'research', I suspect you don't mean peer-reviewed scholarly sources, just randoms frothing on the internet?

There was a very interesting longrunning thread on Mn in which two well-informed Mumsnetters debated evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus.

The first thing I was tought on my science degree is that you cannot dismiss that which you can not disprove. So no one can prove there was no jesus. It's not possible. It's quite a refreshing idea and I wish I had heard it sooner. Evolution is just a theory ( well founded at that) and has been proved to be slightly wrong from Darwins original theory.

I loved, loved Netflix's Messiah. I used to believe that there was either no God or if real He was a sadistic a*hole and I would venemently say so if the subject arose. Until when going through a really dark time I had a supernatural experience that left me in no doubt there was a God and Jesus was His son. I kept this experience to myself for a few years as I would appear to be having delusions and halIucinations. I would say I am in no way religious, but spiritual. I always think if someone told they saw a UFO I would be doubtful but if I saw one for myself, I would then believe or at least explore the possibility. Belief and faith cannot be forced on us by another person as some religious folk seem to believe. Us and God, or not God if you don't believe is a personal relationship/debate. If curious, then explore. If not then don't. OR (if you dare) sincerely ask Him if He is real and see what happens. I loved Netflix's Messiah. As this thread proves, it is entertaining and thought provoking. Happy New Year also.

Is Netflix's Messiah based around Revelation or is it something different? I've not come across it and would be interested to know.

The guy in the video Sam Shamoun is a christian and has a deep knowledge of the bible and Islam.

Spot on Likethebattle

Second coming?

How arrogant do you need to be to believe you are an adherent to the one true religion? Out of all the billions of sentient life forms that predated you? All the belief systems dating back tens of thousands of years? Why yours?

That's what I cannot grasp.

Personally I am not so much an atheist as an evidence based scientist. Earth to earth. Ashes to ashes. We are formed of the elements of the universe; we will, atom by atom, return to them.

Species after species, culture after culture has risen up, has formed its mythologies, its gods, it's End Times story; and either been destroyed, or destroyed itself. We are just another in that line.

Nooooo. And even if there was nobody would believe them.

Whenever these threads appear someone always claims there is more evidence for the existence of Jesus than for Julius Caesar. In the terminology used by historical scholars, this is total bollocks.

Yes I do. I also believe we are in end times, maybe it will take a couple of hundred more years but this is our dying throes.

As the bible said no one will know the time or the day but there will be signs.

@Legoandloldolls I really like that: “you cannot dismiss that you cannot disprove”

It always baffles me how recent lots of scientific knowledge actually is. Galaxies weren’t discovered till something bonkers like the 1940’s, not even 100 years, yet everyone (including my self) without even a remedial knowledge of astrophysics can state with absolute superiority and certainty that they are a fact. I’m pretty sure gravity is still only a theory..

The universe is an astounding place and I’m hoping to see explanations for lots of traditionally unexplained phenomenon in my lifetime; I’m just sad my brain isn’t wired in a way to explore it for myself.

It’s the one thing that stops me enjoying Brian Cox, he explains things so well and in a captivating way and then becomes a full on dismissive skeptic when questioned with any spiritual angle. I get he’s a scientist but he’s so receptive in other ways to knowing we don’t know everything it’s smug and off putting.

He was charismatic and didn’t say he was the sin of god.

• He made messianic claims and claims to his oneness with God/sonship both explicitly and implicitly, through the synoptics and the gospel of John. The reason he was handed over to the Romans for crucifixion was the Jewish blasphemy laws - because he made these claims in what he said and his actions - healing and his authority to forgive sins, which only God has.

He was close to death but hadn’t actually died when he went into the cave. Back then there would be many mistakes made. He came round and this was what people believed was his resurrection.

• One of the most interesting factors about the crucifixion accounts is how the guards checked the death of those crucified - they would usually break the legs in order to insure or quicken death. When they came to Jesus, however, they speared his side and the biblical account says blood and water flowed, which we now know means that he was already dead, although obviously they weren't as scientifically literate then. As well as this, of course, Jesus was brutally flogged before his crucifixion, and if you look into how this was done it would leave you in no doubt he'd have little life left even before the cross. With that, with being forced to carry the cross then the actual crucifixion, there was no chance of survival, certainly not one where it was possible to come round after 3 days and swan around the place in full health. :)

Jesus was hyped up by his followers.

They had little reason or motivation to do so if the resurrection did not happen. They were a band of poor fishermen and hangers on, in the main, they had no resurrection narrative to hang on to - it wasn't something expressed in Judaism and not something that would have been on their horizon at all. They'd have had no reason to start preaching a Messiah resurrected, especially when the story could have been so easily squashed by those at the time who knew they were making it up. The only explanation for their sudden turnaround from a chaotic, depressed group to a dynamic, purposeful band of people who went on to spread the gospel was the resurrection. The very fact that most of the disciples were murdered for their faith tells us that they hadn't simply made it up - people don't go to death for a made up thing. I know the argument is that many people go to their death for religious reasons, but we are talking about people who were there, at the time, who knew what happened, who knew the truth - not people who have been brainwashed into a cult system which isn't anything to do with lived experience and facts.

I wouldn't say there was more evidence for Jesus than Caesar, skinny. That's poor use of historical method. But the fact stands that the evidence for Jesus stands tall among evidence for other figures of antiquity, and the amount of evidence we have far, far surpasses the amount we have for most others, in terms of documentary evidence close to the events.