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To ask if you think there will be a second coming?

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LuluBellaBlue · 03/01/2020 18:29

This is inspired by the new Netflix show Messiah, about a second coming.

I really hope this doesn’t upset or offend anyone and people can share their beliefs and thoughts openly and without prejudice or judgement as I know this can be very sensitive for some people.

Following on from —binge— watching this series I did a bit of googling and it seems both Christian and Muslim regions predict this. (Not researched if any others do yet)

I’m not very well informed about different regions but the concept of this programme has really interested me, I find it fascinating that this could, maybe? actually happen!

Do you think there could be a second coming?!

(And what would it actually mean for the world? A rise in consciousness? Mass healing???)

YABU - no don't be so daft!
YANBU - yes, this could happen, why not?!

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Madhairday · 09/01/2020 22:18

@SirChing Flowers

I get it, about your daughter asking why. That's one of the things I've found hard with my own DC. Like you, though, I've been brought so much as well through it all, and in the case of faith experienced something startling in the depths of it all. I'm so sorry you are struggling.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 09/01/2020 22:19

A Brazilian judge has banned the Netflix show, "The first temptation of Christ".

Religions are not happy with any one discussing 'alternatives'. Is it the Trump effect? We could end up back in the Dark Ages if we are not careful.

SirChing · 09/01/2020 22:35

@Madhairday Thank you. Sorry you go through the same with your kids. It's so hard for them and feels awful that we can't make it better for them.

Still, people have MUCH worse than I have and it won't kill me. The drugs I take for the pain will limit my lifespan, but the condition itself won't kill me. So I am glad to be here now and try to count my blessings.

Flowers to you and yours x

SirChing · 09/01/2020 22:46

@Walkingdeadfangirl That's bonkers what Brazil have done. Nothing like that should be censored. Ever.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 09/01/2020 23:39

@SirChing Unfortunately it is the Charlie Hebdo effect. You seem to be one of the rare example of a religious person able to calmly discuss beliefs with people who have opposing (maybe offensive) views.

I am more than happy to defend people who believe (anything) & express what you believe but when that descends into banning criticism then I am horrified.

SirChing · 10/01/2020 01:06

@Walkingdeadfangirl Well I think freedom of speech is important. Far more important than someone being offended. Like whoever it was said, I may not like what someone says but I will defend to the end their right to say it.

Banning criticism is shocking. And doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just can't be held to the light and examined openly, which helps noone.

I must admit, the only thing on this thread that I have found offensive was the poster who inferred that all Christians are bigots. But even then, people are entitled to their opinions and beliefs (or lack of) and I might not agree but I respect their right to have them.

Moondancer73 · 10/01/2020 07:38

Don't believe in second comings - or first - but the messiah was great, I really enjoyed it and the actor was fantastic.

Lweji · 10/01/2020 11:26

A Brazilian judge has banned the Netflix show

The Supreme Court has since cancelled that decision.

LastTrainEast · 10/01/2020 12:41

Time for a reshowing of Life Of Brian perhaps? Banned by some local councils back in the day and by Norway for years.

@SirChing good choice of "penguins on the Thames" and the way climate change is going we may need a word for them quite soon.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 10/01/2020 18:42

The Supreme Court has since cancelled that decision

Phew, that is good news.

RedElephants · 10/01/2020 18:52

LuluBellaBlue
Do I think that Jesus was made up?
Yes, by MEN who (quite possibly wanting female domination) wanted to make some sort of sense of the world they lived in back then.

My opinion for what it's worth.

FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou · 10/01/2020 19:14

Did anyone listen to that BBC radio series about the dead sea scrolls, oh must have been ten years ago? They threw up some interesting ideas about there having been a fella who was Jesus-like who may have been a leader of a weird all male religious sect that all died out.

Just checked, the series is still available online. It's good whether you are christian or not.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007tlxn

73kittycat73 · 10/01/2020 21:05

Hi Madhairday
As for it being due to fear of hell - well, I don't believe in hell as eternal torment, I believe it is not a sustainable biblical position.

I'd love to hear more about this belief please? I've always been scared of going to hell so would love to hear another take on it.
Thanks.

ZenNudist · 11/01/2020 15:03

73kittycat73. I wanted to ask about that too. My priest says hell if it exists is being separated from God forever. I know the fire and brimstone version was invented in the middle ages. I dont know about eternal torment. The ideas of souls perishing in hell has some sway with me. Hell and Satan confuse me. It hard enough to get your head round God, Jesus and Mary.

Greenpop21 · 11/01/2020 17:15

No I don’t believe in a second coming. Being a cradle Roman Catholic I did for a long time. The change came when I couldn’t get satisfactory answers to the MANY questions and when I learned about other religions. I was also disillusioned with the not very ‘Christian’ in real life people I saw each week at mass. I met my DH who was of no denomination who was and is the kindest most tolerant person ever and has no interest in religion. It turned everything I had been taught on its head.

lilgreen · 11/01/2020 17:24

As for the wonder of nature and human beings-science answers it all.

roisinagusniamh · 11/01/2020 17:53

I think we can happily conclude that there will be no Second coming due to the fact that there never was a First one.😀

73kittycat73 · 11/01/2020 19:54

Hi ZenNudist
Hell and Satan confuse me. It hard enough to get your head round God, Jesus and Mary.

Absolutely! Thanks for your reply.

contentedsoul · 11/01/2020 20:06

How could there possibly be a second coming...Religion in all ita many forms is nothing but a fairy-tale. for weak minded.

Is it not a fact that there is nothing in history that has caused so much death and misery as that as to the kingdom of God...A irony in itself.

I live next to a church, and the sodding Vicar is more akin to a bloody witch. She is awful, so intolerant of others, she has actually forced my neighbour to put their house up for sale by her selfish demands. I along with many on the street truly dislike her.

Remember the pope smacking the womans hand a few weeks ago!!
I thought it summed up religion perfectly. Do as I say, not as I do.

The Middle East, The Irish
All this hatred in the name of a divine spirit. WTF

A second coming ?.... Get Real

SirChing · 11/01/2020 20:45

@contentedsoul Using religion as an excuse to kill, doesn't mean that religion itself causes deaths. Humans have bent and manipulated religious teachings to justify terrible acts, but if it wasn't religion, it would be something else.

Now obviously, as you say, I am only weak minded, but how many millions did Stalin kill again with his bastardised approach to communism? Wiki says estimates over his total time in power are around 20 million.

Chairman Mao's great leap forward - killed about 20 million directly and a further 25 million indirectly over a four year period.

The Khmer Rouge - roughly 2 million out of a population of 8 million

Not to mention obviously Nazism which killed 6 million.

I am intrigued as to which wars in the name of religion have killed more people than this. My weakmindedness must have made me forget......please do refresh my memory.

As for the Pope slapping the woman's hand away - have you seen the footage? She grabs him and pulls him. He is a bloke in his 80s, occupying a role which has attracted assassination attempts in the past. What would you have liked him to do? Let himself be pulled over and break his hip, let himself be a sitting duck for being shot? Get real!

If you don't believe in religion or God, and think that the Second Coming is a load of crap, then fair enough. But the arguments you have used have more holes than a colander.

LastTrainEast · 11/01/2020 22:02

I felt sorry for the pope being grabbed like that, but then I thought "hold on. Are we not supposed to believe he's in contact with god and his representative on earth? Shouldn't he be overflowing with god''s love and be unable to be angry and tired"?

I still feel somewhat sorry for an elderly CEO of a failing company.

Admittedly one that only thrived when it had much more power over people than it does now.

Moonmelodies · 11/01/2020 22:10

One might wonder why the Pope's invisible friend didn't protect him from the woman.
I've often wondered why his Popemobile has bulletproof glass. Does he not have sufficient faith?

RoseWines · 11/01/2020 22:15

Honestly, that's the only thing I find offensive - accusing religious groups of being weak minded. As if an absence of faith equates to intelligence (it really doesnt)

RoseWines · 11/01/2020 22:17

@Moonmelodies he's human, he's the Pope, not a superhero or magic wizard

LastTrainEast · 11/01/2020 22:25

@SirChing are you suggesting that Stalin, Mao and Hitler killed simply because they were not Christian? That is a standard response when believers are reminded of their religion's record of atrocities, but it doesn't hold up.
Especially not in HItler's case. A Catholic upbringing gave him his start in life.

Some non-religious people kill and some religious people kill, but in addition to that some religious people kill because they were taught that their god required it.

We might also consider god's list of victims as recorded in the bible. The god who drowned every man, woman, child and baby and unborn child in the Great Flood.

Who slaughtered the firstborn in Eqypt, Even the children of slaves who had no say in what was going on.

Who picked Abraham as father of his religion because Abraham was willing to tie up his own son and cut his throat just for a promised reward.

Who taught that gay people should be murdered.

Even if Christians admit that the bible is fictional (and where does that leave them?) that's still the role model that their religion rests on. Of course it was going to lead to atrocities and still does. Just not on a large scale these days.

Christians don't get to kill gay people these days, but they get to fire them from jobs and block them adopting children etc God told them it was the right thing to do.