To think my daughter shouldn't have to share a room with a boy!

[GColdtimer]

Because if you are in Oxfordshire, the council thinks schools should facilitate mixed sex dorm rooms for residential trips, as well as allowing mixed sex loos, changing rooms and sports.

It's on this thread thread

Gail please show me evidence of any transwomen being harmed in a men's loo in the UK? Because I think you are telling big fat porkies.

And trans people are more at risk of violence (sexual and otherwise) if made to use male spaces.

Oh that’s a very bigoted assumption. Are you saying that men will be violent to other none conforming males. Naughty.

@CallofDoodee

The vast majority of men do not rape. The reason why tactics like dressing conservatively are dumb is because most raoes occur by a known person and in a romantic relationship. At most, watching your drink and staying with friends prevents you from the lest common form of rape - stranger rape.

How is letting men self ID into womens spaces going to protect transwomen?

And trans people are more at risk of violence (sexual and otherwise) if made to use male spaces.

Men aren't an inherent enough threat of sexual violence to women to dismiss the safety of trans women

Literally a sentence apart.

Who are trans women not safe from then? It can't be men because you just said that men aren't a threat? But then you said that transwomen are at risk if they use male spaces? But not from males?

Getting your knickers in quite the twist here aren't you?

I'm confused as to which of my posts you're answering there but ok...

Because the vast majority of the time they won't even know.

Who's they?

And trans people are more at risk of violence (sexual and otherwise) if made to use male spaces.

More at risk compared to who? And who's being violent to trans people in male spaces? Feminists?

Neutral spaces may lead to outing which could lead to violence.

On the contrary. I think neutral spaces would be used not only by trans people, but by people who identify as non-binary and cis, as well as fathers with daughters and mothers with sons. It would be great to have a mixed-sex space in addition to single-sex spaces.

Men aren't an inherent enough threat of sexual violence to women to dismiss the safety of trans women

Personally, I think the statistics speak for themselves WRT the perpetrators of violent and sexual crime. If you have evidence that shows otherwise we'd all love to see it and put our concerns to rest.

Cushy that poster has no idea about the social history or present of females and how it shapes our lives.

@Cushycat

From what I see online, they tend not to use male toilets unless they have some guarantee of their safety and/or they are not obviously trans. Lots of anecdotal examples by trans women of male violence against them in male spaces though . Horrific stories.

I think I definitely believe that Gail is a 'true crime buff', mind you.

All too easily imagined poring over rape'n'murder cold cases online, in between telling live women to Shut Up On The Internet.

The vast majority of men do not rape.

The vast majority of men are not violent either, so why are none conforming males at risk from other men, if they use the same facilities?

@PityParty4one

I'd say it is your social history of women that is lacking. Was it you saying that ,men used to protect women from rapists when rape wasn't even a crime.

Who are trans women not safe from then? It can't be men because you just said that men aren't a threat? But then you said that transwomen are at risk if they use male spaces? But not from males?

I'm looking forward to this answer.

The vast majority of men do not rape. The reason why tactics like dressing conservatively are dumb is because most raoes occur by a known person and in a romantic relationship. At most, watching your drink and staying with friends prevents you from the lest common form of rape - stranger rape.

And yet, women are conditioned from an early age to be 'careful' when going out, especially on a night out. Which, if you are actually a woman, you would know all about.

@T0tallyFuckedUpFamily

Because their trans ID makes them much more at risk of violence BASED ON THAT than your average women does of being sexcually assaulted by a stranger.

Was it you saying that ,men used to protect women from rapists when rape wasn't even a crime.

Nope, that one was just you as well.

That's why they matter more than us.

Lots of anecdotal examples by trans women of male violence against them in male spaces though . Horrific stories.

Lots of actual evidence of males who identify as trans committing crime against females. Or does that not count?

@DickKerrLadies

Actually it was pityparty earlier. She was desperately trying to scrape some clever sounding arguments together and came up with that bit of total shit.

Oh dear Gail it looks like you are having trouble reading again.

I shall help you out.
Men protected women from rape because to have their wife or daughter lay with another man would damage the husbands/fathers reputation.

But then you believe that the act of rape didn't exist before some magic recent date so I am not surprised you are struggling to understand what I wrote.

You've got stats to support transwomen being at greater risk of violence than women, right? That would back up your assertion here.

Or is that just another made up thing, like gay men being rounded up for being gay in investigations into sex crimes against women?

That's why they matter more than us

Who is the 'they' and who is the 'us'?

Because their trans ID makes them much more at risk of violence BASED ON THAT than your average women does of being sexcually assaulted by a stranger.

Yes, dear, of course it does. pats Gail on head, then wipes hand

@T0tallyFuckedUpFamily

You have shown a few isolated cases. There hasn't even been enough to warrant proper recent research. It is archaic nonsense blurted out by bigots.

Yes, dear, of course it does. pats Gail on head, then wipes hand

That's why they matter more than us.

Who matters more than who?