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To think my daughter shouldn't have to share a room with a boy!

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GColdtimer · 03/01/2020 16:15

Because if you are in Oxfordshire, the council thinks schools should facilitate mixed sex dorm rooms for residential trips, as well as allowing mixed sex loos, changing rooms and sports.

It's on this thread thread

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youkiddingme · 04/01/2020 18:55

Once again homosexuals and black people are brought into this discussion.
Yes both groups of people have been unfairly treated. As have women. And various other groups. Which is wrong of course.
But this is specifically about sharing spaces which have up to now been sex segregated. I don't think black men or gay men have ever campaigned for the right to be allowed in women's spaces.
There is conflation everywhere in this issue. Having an umbrella LGBGTQ+ organisation makes it all seem like the same one issue to many people. People can be confused as to their own sexuality as well as their own identity, particularly when such strong stereotypes and societal pressures are involved. Not to mention legal or religious restrictions. And the use of gender and sex as interchangeable. And of course there are reasons why maintaining and fuelling the conflation is exactly the agenda to follow for some.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 04/01/2020 19:00

I look at it like this:

Many, possibly even most, people are not absolutely happy with the way they are. (Particularly in adolescence, most people are not all that happy with the way that the world is, either.) Many would like to be someone/something else, and feel in a vague way that if only they had (this or that attribute) they would then be happy -- this is wishful thinking but it is very common indeed. A bigger prick, a six-pack without exercising all the time, bigger/smaller boobs, a better shape of chin, longer legs, blue eyes, you name it, it would at a stroke solve their fifteen-year-old problems.

Not surprisingly, because it is, people who are most unhappy with or disoriented by puberty blame becoming a man or becoming a woman for all the hormonal chaos that is going on inside them. From there they decide that it's the become a man or becoming a woman that is causing their problems, not the becoming an adult.

Two generations now have had the possibility that if only they were the other sex then everything would be fine, and that this is something they can have, placed before them. Add general discontent and a vague feeling of the wrongness of how things are to the mix, and it's a pretty good recipe for a not-child not-yet-adult to fix on the thing which looks as if it might possibly be the root of their unique (no, really: they don't notice it is not just them, they are convinced nobody else ever suffered as they are suffering) troubles, and decide that if only they were the other sex everything in their world would be rosy.

It is a cruel con-trick, but they don't see that at the time.

Left to themselves, they are likely to realise in a couple of years that the other sex is no better off than theirs, and that each has its drawbacks as well as its advantages, but they are not left alone to work through adolescence: they are encouraged in all sorts of ways to take irrevocable action to change their gender and become sort-of-the-other-sex. Then they are bitter and unhappy because it hasn't solved anything, and then they lash out at anyone who seems to be casting doubt on their choice in any way, and claim that everything is All Their Fault.

Women do not at a rule rape or beat up or kill transwomen; it's men who do that. But it is a lot safer to blame and attack women for transwomen being raped or beaten up or killed than it is to attack men forit, so that's what is happening.

GColdtimer · 04/01/2020 19:05

Little dragon firstly well done for owning up to penny dropping.

Secondly you talk a lot about checks and balances and schools using common sense. The occ guidance has none of that. Read https://twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1213115485967007744?s=20 to see how that common sense and safeguarding have been thrown to the wolves.

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Fairenuff · 04/01/2020 19:08

Though I am shocked that people can literally just state that they are identifying as the opposite gender and gain access to gender seperated places. I had assumed that surely there would have to be more in place in terms of safeguards to prevent this being used as a mode of abuse.

Congratulations. You have reached the point where many of us were 3 years ago. Come join us in the fight.

Datun · 04/01/2020 19:52

@Datun Does it clarify the difference between FTM and MTF prisoners?

From memory, it wasn't as straightforward as you might think, but yes I believe in the end this fact was ascertained.

On the same subject, meet Karen White. Self confessed pedophile and convicted rapist. White has since been convicted of the sexual assault of two women prisoners, whilst being held in a woman's prison, as befitting their 'gender identity'.

FairPlayfor Women is well worth a read generally. Nic Williams is an intelligent, articulate woman, who has worked relentlessly on behalf of women. With specific emphasis on prisons and sport.

To think my daughter shouldn't have to share a room with a boy!
Feminazgul · 04/01/2020 19:53

Wow, theres 1 person on this thread who, figuratively speaking, gave the likes of Savile the keys to the ward.

You can fuck right off if you think we are going to wait until women and girls are harmed before pointing out what a bad idea letting men self identify into womens spaces is.

PurpleCrowbar · 04/01/2020 19:56

I'm pretty sure I also read that FTM prisoners (a small group of people) are all currently held in the female estate. Because, well, obviously it would be stupid & dangerous to stick biological females in with a bunch of biologically male criminals...

Can't remember where I saw that, & happy to be corrected if it's not right?

But certainly FTM prisoners clamouring to be incarcerated with their brethren in male prisons doesn't seem to be a thing. Funny that.

DickKerrLadies · 04/01/2020 20:05

Yeah, I've never seen a petition about getting a transman a transfer to a male prison.

To be fair to Karen (!!), we have no idea whether Karen would fall under the definition of what people call a 'genuine transwoman'. For all we know, Karen suffers from gender dysphoria.

The point is we don't know. But apparently, all we can do is take Karen's word for it. And to be fair again, Karen wasn't a convicted rapist when Karen was sent to a women's prison, just a convicted peadophile... so that's erm, ok then.

Datun · 04/01/2020 20:06

When Nic Williams first started to delve into this, it was not well known that you could go to the prison of your choice.

As soon as it was reported in the media, of course, every predator started to jump on the bandwagon. A phenomenon that will extend across the board. To toilets, changing rooms, sport, the lot.

Maintaining that this won't happen is just, well, let's call it what it is - lying.

One in 50 prisoners identifies as transgender amid concerns inmates are attempting to secure prison perks.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/09/one-50-prisoners-identify-transsexual-first-figures-show-amid/amp/

Datun · 04/01/2020 20:16

White was well known and violent.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

White entered the UK prison system as transgender. However, despite dressing as a woman, the 52-year-old had not undergone any surgery and was still legally a male. She was also a convicted paedophile and on remand for grievous bodily harm, burglary, multiple rapes and other sexual offences against women.

A representative from a transgender rights group complained was that White was not trying hard enough to be a woman.

It's unhinged.

GailCindy · 04/01/2020 21:14

@LittleDragonGirl

There is a whole host of psychological testing one must get through before they could access something like a women's prison if they were born male. These people on here are totally nuts and fearmongering. Please support your friends and not these crazy women.

To the other nutter, 98% of sex offences might have been commited by men but 98% of men are not rapists. You are being hysterical. You need mental help.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 04/01/2020 21:15

It’s back. And still making no sense.

GladAllOver · 04/01/2020 21:17

It just needs a simple test.
If the person has a penis > male room and facilities.
If person doesn't have a penis > female room and facilities.

GailCindy · 04/01/2020 21:18

I would be so ashamed of myself to treat a child this way. Right fucking bigots. I pray none of your kids are trans. I just read something online by someone who says that her mum thinks they are "just a lesbian" but all her friends call her by a male name and use him/he and they are terrified to come out to their mother who thinks the same things you all do about transwomen. They said that their mother uses them as an example that girls can be boyish without being boys or vice versa not knowing that they are a transman and just in the closet to her. That would make me feel like such a failure if I blocked out my kid by shouting ignorance. My parents did the same about black guys and that is why I didn't tell them when I was on trouble with one. Shit parents really. Only interested in their own prejudice.

PityParty4one · 04/01/2020 21:20

I dont think a certain poster likes the idea of somebody reading the available information, processing it and deciding for themself based on facts if they are happy with the removal of safeguards.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 04/01/2020 21:21

Aww diddums is annoyed that no one believes his nonsense any more.

GailCindy · 04/01/2020 21:21

@GladAllOver

I bet you'd love to be the person testing all the little kids by looking in their underwear to make sure. How else would you do it? If an adult asked my son to show his genitals because they want to know if he is a proper boy, I'd have the pervert arrested.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 04/01/2020 21:22

Ohhh the creepiness has started. shudder

GailCindy · 04/01/2020 21:23

and again you continue with your sexist nonsense saying that I am a man because I disagree with you hysterical bigots. yet your whole argument is based on the belief that women do not have a hive mind so might not meet gender expectations. Fucking laughable mate.

Cushycat · 04/01/2020 21:24

I bet you'd love to be the person testing all the little kids by looking in their underwear to make sure

Fucking hell chap. Have you ANY IDEA how you sound? I would get that post removed if I were you.

PityParty4one · 04/01/2020 21:24

I have read Gkads post twice and nowhere in it doe theh mention looking at children's genitals?

Oh dear is somebody too hysterical to read?

Cushycat · 04/01/2020 21:24

Alarm bells ringing loud and clear for me.

PityParty4one · 04/01/2020 21:26

Yep that poster has become so hysterical they have lost their ability to read.
Mind you to become hysterical is a female only condition is it not?

PurpleCrowbar · 04/01/2020 21:26

Um. I would venture that literally only one person has suggested poking around in 'little kids' underwear'.

I hope nobody repots, though. It's ages since we've had a sherpa as indefatigable as this.

DickKerrLadies · 04/01/2020 21:27

Oh dear is somebody too hysterical to read?

Grin

Once we reach the stage of people shouting nonsensical stuff and arguing against things nobody has said it's pretty clear that we're hitting a nerve.

It's not as funny as 'long live the penis' though. Now that really was hysterical. Hysterically funny.

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