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AIBU to cut SIL and brother off?

138 replies

TriangleBingoBongo · 01/01/2020 18:31

My SIL and brother had some difficulty conceiving, I don’t know the full details as they never actually told the wider family about it and it was fed down from my parents. We never really knew if we were meant to know or not.

When I found out I was pregnant (planned) I waited until my 12 week scan and let my brother know first, by phone. I knew it would be difficult news and I didn’t want him to hear through the grapevine. From that point on my SIL cut me off, which meant my brother all but did too. SIL told my DH she couldn’t talk to me as I was pregnant, brother confirmed and they shut me off.

My DD is now 10 months old, my SIL is pregnant after a successful round of IVF. They still haven’t really spoken to me and have avoided family events that I’ve been at. I asked my brother if we could get along and he told me I ought to look to my own behaviour. I said I was asked not to speak to them as I was pregnant and respected that and his response was that I should have handled it differently. Brother asked what my issue was as they speak to the rest of the family, it’s just me. SIL has spent time with other friends and family with children.

I suspect SIL just doesn’t like me, she is quite competitive and liked me several years ago when I was establishing my career etc but now I’ve not caught her up so to speak and I think me getting pregnant first was the nail on the head.

She doesn’t acknowledge DD, although bought nice presents for Christmas. She still blanks us both.

Family very involved in their own pregnancy.

I’m sick of it now, I feel shunned in my parents house and incredibly anxious around them.

I know IVF must be awful and have supported friends and family through IVF and miscarriages but feel now I’ve been excluded purely owing to my ability to get pregnant.

I said to DH I think I’m done with it, it’s been 16 months and I can’t keep creeping around pretending DD doesn’t exist. I was always close to my brother growing up but we’ve not spoken since my pregnancy.

OP posts:
Alyic · 01/01/2020 19:13

I wouldn't bother with them, it's just life, some people never conceive and others take longer, you can't live your life treading on eggshells.

Properfatty · 01/01/2020 19:14

It's a special kind of person who resents a baby. She's using the excuse to be rude to you personally
Absolutely this. This is your brothers niece he is blanking and I wouldn’t pussyfoot round about them and continually ask what you’ve done wrong.
They can piss off and enjoy your time with your dd. Don’t let their bitterness eat into this

TatianaLarina · 01/01/2020 19:16

I’d just avoid her tbh. She sounds like a hot mess. You should never let someone make you feel shunned in your own parents’ house. Wtf does she think she is?

See your parents without DB and SIL.

SeaToSki · 01/01/2020 19:16

I would just start treating SIl and DB like anyone else in the family, be very breezy and matter of fact about it, let them be the rude ones (if they dare). Maybe you can just blast through their stance with your attitude of forced normality and then family gatherings will be more bearable for you. If either of them choose to continue to be rude its on them and hopefully everyone will see that.

The key is to work out what will make you, DH and DDs’ lives better in the greater family occasions and just do that. Ignore what would be best for SIl and DB as they sound crackers

Mummyoflittledragon · 01/01/2020 19:20

You either leave it or you give one last push. The last push would be sending a letter to your sil apologising for anything you have done and said, which upset her, hoping that things between you can be healed and your children can be close.

If she’s a total bitch it’s unlikely to last tbh but this isn’t necessarily the case. Maybe she really did misinterpret something. However, not being able to say what you did or said is classic narcissistic manipulation so do be on your guard. It goes a bit like this: “You should know what you said / did and I am too mortally wounded it to say what it was. You must forever stay in purgatory.” type stuff.

I am NC with my brother and Sil. Different reasons. Basically they are awful to me and to dd and I had to protect me physically from my brothers violence and dd from the scapegoating.

OneForMeToo · 01/01/2020 19:21

Are you sure it’s actually sil and not your brother. Your pregnancy she said her self but as you’ve said she managed to be around others pregnancy and children since. His the one saying things not her. She might be totally fine now she’s had her own child where as he might be the one with a bee in his bonnet over it.

bevelino · 01/01/2020 19:22

OP, is there a family member or family friend who can discuss the problem with your brother and sil on your behalf? Also to help mend fences as the problems you describe may be fixable with help from someone neutral.

Happyandglorious · 01/01/2020 19:24

I would enjoy your baby and move on.
Horrible way for her to behave. If she was able to be around other mothers and kids then she's just being a bitch to you.
Dont waste any more time and energy. Hopefully your brother will grow a pair and come to his senses. But dont waste any more time or energy on it. You did nothing wrong

TatianaLarina · 01/01/2020 19:25

I wouldn’t bother writing to SIL. Why indulge this nonsense? It just gives her more power.

If OP wants to give it one last shot, she could ask DB for a final explanation of what she did wrong. If DB can’t come up with one, she can say she can only infer that what she did wrong was get pregnant, and leave it at that.

I’d never let anyone treat me like this within my own family.

If parents don’t want to get involved, then you need to do what’s right for you.

FreedomfromPE · 01/01/2020 19:29

I go with ignoring her issue as above. Be civil. Include them/ dont exclude yourselves until she just learns to be a grown up or chooses to let everyone see its her nastiness. Which it appears to be

boomboom1234 · 01/01/2020 19:29

What a horrible situation. I think you need to just leave them to it. Be polite say how sorrry you are that they feel that way and move on!!! Focus on yourself and your lovely family. Xxx

WorldsOnFire · 01/01/2020 19:34

I absolutely would not be having this OP!

Not only are they being incredibly rude to you but they’re making you appear to be the problem and somehow maintaining all the power. I would be going fully NC with both of them and making it clear to your parents that should any rudeness/bad behaviour from SIL be tolerated then they will not be seeing your DD either!

Your parents need to be putting SIL in her place and letting DB know they don’t think you are in the wrong. They’ve let you become the ‘black sheep’ simply by getting pregnant.

I’d also become very snippy and vocal about how SIL should hopefully become a little nicer and more compassionate now she’s finally managed to get pregnant.

If she is blatantly rude to you again, I’d ask her sweetly what the chances are of them conceiving a second child naturally...or if they’re planning to stick with just the one 👍🏻

I would never say that normally but SIL sounds like a right royal cow and I’m quite indignant/angry on your behalf!

Shesalittlemadam · 01/01/2020 19:36

@WorldsOnFire You're telling OP to use her daughter as a weapon to blackmail her parents? Hmm

Bluerussian · 01/01/2020 19:37

Whatsername, your excellent post deserves more than one read.

Boom, I'm so sorry about the family situation, it's unpleasant and must make things awkward. However I'm glad you have your two children and that sister in law has had one as well.

It seems really strange to me that people can be so unreasonable for so long - they hang onto it. It's not something I've experienced which is probably why it amazes me. The bitter ones are the losers in the long run, we all have to get old one day and they may look back and wonder why they wasted so much energy on being resentful when there was a lot of good they could have been doing and enjoyment to be had. Hindsight and all that.

SarahNade · 01/01/2020 19:38

You would not be unreasonable. It sounds like SIL has been making up lies to your brother and telling him stuff, hence you genuinely not knowing what you did, and he has chosen to believe her. It's a horrible and hateful thing to do. Perhaps write your brother a letter basically including outline of your OP, and explain to him you don't want to lose your brother. You are innocent, you did nothing wrong!

WorldsOnFire · 01/01/2020 19:41

@Shesalittlemadam

I’m telling OP not to let her DD be brought up in an environment where OP is treated poorly, rudely and made out to have done something wrong for having given birth to her. Yes.

How will the OP’s DD feel witnessing that?

Also if OP’s parents won’t stand up to SIL for fear of not seeing their other grandchild, where will it end? Next thing SIL will be wanting her child to be constantly favoured over OP’s DD and they’ll go along with it.

If I were the OP I would have serious concerns that once the new child is here SIL will expand her ‘black sheep’ shadow to OP’s DD too.

ChocolateTeapots1 · 01/01/2020 19:44

Similar thing happened to me. My brothers marriage ended and he met and married his new wife very quickly, due to age they started trying for a baby right away. I was already pregnant when they got married, they announced they were having a baby (only 6 weeks pregnant) the week before I gave birth. They lost the pregnancy a few days later before I'd given birth. I was really nice and messaged his wife just said it happens and not to say it won't work out eventually. They came and met our first child and it was a little awkward but they were fine. Then nothing. Didn't see or hear from them for about 10 months. The point at which I had baby 2 on the way. Turns out they were having issues but didn't want ivf etc so gave up.

They announced giving up to my parents the same week I told my parents I was pregnant. They then just ignored us all year and refused to meet our second child. They met him at 4 months by accident when we bumped into us at my parents. When my brother held him his wife shook her head and said "no" to my brother who handed him back and they left. It was bizarre. We tried with them inviting them to things but it was always no. We invited them to his 1st bday bbq and they amazingly said yes, only didn't show up until everyone had left 4 hours late... But since this they've literally acted like nothing happened. My brother said to me over Christmas "I think they finally like me" the only reason they didn't was because they had never actually been around them. It's bizarre they are suddenly fine with them now they aren't babies. I'm waiting for setback number 3 as we are about to start trying for a 3rd child.

I don't think there's an excuse for their behaviour or your brother and sils, I'm sure it's hard having infertility but you can't stop having babies to make them feel better. My own mum said to me "well you have children they'll have to get over it, you can't pretend they don't exist!". Maybe your brother will just go back to normal with time? My brother acts like the previous 2 years or so didn't happen.

Toomuchtrouble4me · 01/01/2020 19:45

Wow this takes me back to when I was pregnant with my first - we planned and planned how and when to most sensitively tell SIL as she was having IVF without success - she still burst into tears and went ballistic. Brother came round when she was out to apologise and say congrats.

Mummyoflittledragon · 01/01/2020 19:46

@WorldsOnFire
That is a fucking disgusting thing to say to a woman, who’s conceived vi ivf. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. My dd is Ivf. I feel sick reading this trash.

Shesalittlemadam · 01/01/2020 19:48

@WorldsOnFire Oh come on! That's a bit of a stretch! That is not what you said not what you implied in your previous comment. You said tell your parents to do xyz or they'll not be seeing their grandchild

WorldsOnFire · 01/01/2020 19:57

@Mummyoflittledragon

And would you ever in a million years behave the way OP’s SIL has? Would you put any other woman through what OP is experiencing? No you wouldn’t.
SIL sounds absolutely awful.
I would never say anything like to any normal woman as I certainly don’t think that way but I think SIL deserves a real taste of her own ‘shameful’ medicine. It was very cruel for her to treat OP that way whilst she was going through becoming a mother for the first time- maybe having a bit of cruel back will make her think in future!

@Shesalittle

But that’s what SIL is doing isn’t it? So OP should simply stand around being treated like shes done something wrong because her parents are ‘scared they won’t get to see SIL’s child!’ No, it’s a ridiculously unfair division of power that is always going to end up with OP underneath.

I would have suggested talking to them openly and honestly about it but OP seems to have done that! They admit OP has done nothing wrong but refuse to stand up for her...so she should stand up for herself.

BumbleBeee69 · 01/01/2020 19:57

She's an ignorant bitch that is very jealous of you ... this will not change ever ... the end.. Flowers

Didkdt · 01/01/2020 20:05

You wouldn't be cutting them off if they want nothing to do with you, because they are already blanking you.
I'd just leave them be.
Don't factor them in decision making if you're invited to something then ho, the host obviously wants you there
Don't invite them to stuff or acknowledge events unless they do first and slowly I suspect they'll come around
Your SIL probation needs the drama and she won't get it if you're not playing

WorldsOnFire · 01/01/2020 20:06

I should probably note that I grew up in a similar environment to this so it’s touched a real nerve.
My DM was very much the OP and my Aunt very much the SIL!
I grew up in the shadow of my cousins whilst DM was always made to feel crappy they would literally move rooms to exclude her at family events despite her doing nothing wrong!

It sucks to watch and even now my GP’s favour my cousins then try to smooth it over with me when we are alone!

Bluetrews25 · 01/01/2020 20:08

They probably wanted to have the first grandchild on that/ both side(s) of the family, and therefore have the first grandchild to walk / talk / read / start school / be in a nativity / go to high school / get GCSEs / get A levels etc etc.
PP's suggestion of an intermediary is probably the best way to go.

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