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Jolyon Maugham should be prosecuted for killing a fox

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halocompanach · 26/12/2019 11:41

Jolyon Maugham QC stating on twitter that he has clubbed to death a fox rather than calling for help to free it from netting in his garden.

Jolyon Maugham should be prosecuted for killing a fox
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JamieVardysHavingAParty · 26/12/2019 13:57

Don't you own animals? What do you think happens to cats and dogs when they are old and their quality of life deteriorates.

And, this, kids, is what nonsense you post if you MN after drinking Christmas sherry before lunch. Just say no.

MistyCloud · 26/12/2019 13:57

@halocompanach OMG what the fuck is wrong with him?

I am deeply suspicious of anyone who has a baseball bat when they don't play baseball, and it's a well-documented fact that people who deliberately harm animals are seriously disturbed.

And if the fox was posing a threat to this man and his family (or animals,) and he felt he had no choice other than to do what he did, then why brag about it on social media? Confused

There is no word invented to describe this individual. And yeah he DOES need locking up, because the idea of a rancid thing like that being allowed anywhere in public is horrifying. He's deranged.

halocompanach · 26/12/2019 14:00

@Alsohuman Missing the point OP, as I’m sure you’re completely well aware.

What point do you think I am missing? He, by his own admission, killed a fox with a baseball bat that he bought "to deter intruders". I think that he should be prosecuted so that was my point - I cannot miss my own point,

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Alsohuman · 26/12/2019 14:06

You missed mine, though. Anyway I’ll leave you to your frothing.

Whataboutthattthen · 26/12/2019 14:06

Why did he assume the fox would harm his chickens? He just bought into the stereotype that foxes eat chickens.

It’s possible the fox was identifying as a chicken today.

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Dangerfloof · 26/12/2019 14:07

Things are quite different in the countryside to towns and cities and I think some people are a bit naive about things like this
Yeah? Jo is in London, where for example a fox charity has many many members willing to help. I forget the name of the charity and cba googling right now.

Dangerfloof · 26/12/2019 14:13

where has this 'clubbed to death' bit come from? that was just the op sensationalising it for a reaction

Jo jo himself says in his tweet " killed a fox with a baseball bat"
Doesn't say one blow, doesn't say any chickens were killed, only seems to care that he was in his wife's kimono. Also in a later tweet says he shoots rabbits and butchers them, so he owns a gun and presumably could have shot it. Quicker than a bat to the head I expect.

halocompanach · 26/12/2019 14:15

Apparently he didn't use a gun because he doesn't think they are a good idea in central London. I wonder what other weapons he has in his house beside guns and a baseball bat?

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GeordieTerf · 26/12/2019 14:16

I didn’t think my low opinion of him could sink any further, yet it has. Angry

halocompanach · 26/12/2019 14:18

RSPCA confirm they are looking into the incident:

RSPCA (England & Wales)
@RSPCA_official
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We’ve been made aware of this and are looking into it.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/12/2019 14:22

I suspect the RSPCA will consider how high profile someone is, and and whether they can make their own political capital out of it

Exactly

I've no admiration at all for what the guy's reportedly done, but then I've very little for the RSPCA either

LoveNote · 26/12/2019 14:26

they won't do much

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 26/12/2019 14:27

Anyone here been in to a hen house after a fox has got in?

I’m surprised he killed it, as he’s so keen on letting foxes into the henhouse.

I’ve seen a hen house and rabbit hutch (23 rabbits) after a fox has got in. Every bird and rabbit killed. It looked horrendous and we felt bad that we hadn’t protected the animals better. What we didn’t do, was club a fox to death, because were not sadistic wankers and recognised that the fox simply acted on nature. Are you suggesting that he is like an animal and acted of base instincts? Are certain people excused from abusing animals because animals act on instincts? That’s a rather unhealthy view.

JacquesHammer · 26/12/2019 14:32

It’s clear from his persona he’s an attention seeking twat.

However the hyperbole about “anyone who’s killed an animal” etc is nonsense.

I’ve dispatched a desperately injured animal. It was distressing, but the most kind course of action. Of course there was no need to tweet about it.

koshkat · 26/12/2019 14:32

Good post Misty.

We live very rurally, ban the hunt from our land and would never, ever indulge in this mindless violence against any animal let alone a trapped and frightened one. We keep our chickens safe as we are responsible for their welfare.

Those dickheads on here saying that this is a town/country issue - it is not. It is decent human being vs being a cunt issue.

halocompanach · 26/12/2019 14:44

It is decent human being vs being a cunt issue.

^ This.

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thetemptationofchocolate · 26/12/2019 15:00

I have had to kill ill/badly injured wild animals before now. I do not own a gun, would not be confident of breaking a neck, so have had to use a club of some sort. It would depend what was nearest and I would use a big stone if I had to. I HATE doing it, it really upsets me and I certainly wouldn't be bragging about it on twitter, that is really loathsome.
I am a long way from a vet, otherwise I would take the animal there.

birdsdestiny · 26/12/2019 15:03

He is backtracking like crazy on twitter and has reported himself to the RSPCA. What a twunt that man is.

magicmole · 26/12/2019 15:10

I live rurally and have friends and family who are gamekeepers, farmers, gun owners etc. This isn't a countryside v town issue though. Doesn't really matter if you hate or love foxes either. We have wildlife laws and the QC may have broken them.

For example, a man who legally trapped a grey squirrel (an invasive pest species which it is legal to kill) was prosecuted and fined because he despatched the squirrel by drowning it. The court said that caused "unecessary suffering" to the animal which is prohibited by the law.

Unless a vet euthanises it, the law pretty much requires a creature be shot or be despatched by a SINGLE blow to the head. That's possible with something like a pheasant or squirrel if you know what you're doing, it's unlikely with an adult fox and a baseball bat.

In fact the RSPCA has previously said that as most people do not know how to kill an animal without breaching the law they recommend calling them, a vet or pest control experts to do it legally. When it comes to injured wildlife, some vets will do this for free (as one even confirmed on the QC's Twitter thread).

I gather too that some people with chickens keep falconry gloves/motorbike gloves and pliers to disentangle wildlife from their mesh. Killing the creature is last resort, not first thought.

But there was NO suggestion from the QC that the fox was injured (which would be a defence to putting an animal out of its misery). Instead he made a flippant (and incorrect) comment about the RSPCA not being available where he was in Central London on Boxing Day.

Didn't see the comment about the baseball bat but don't think he's breaking the law there. The law prohibits possession of offensive weapons "in any public place". Not in the home. The trouble would only come if he used it against an intruder and the authorities were not convinced he used it in reasonable self defence.

Sorry, think this turned into an essay!

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 26/12/2019 15:12

C...you....next....Tuesdaaaaaaaaaayyyyy

birdsdestiny · 26/12/2019 15:14

If he uses it against an intruder now presumably he is utterly fucked as they would be able to prove intent.

MistyCloud · 26/12/2019 15:15

@LadyTiredWinterbottom2

Wrong thread???

MistyCloud · 26/12/2019 15:16

@birdsdestiny

Very true.

MistyCloud · 26/12/2019 15:18

@koshcat

Good post Misty ...

Thank you. Smile

@JacquesHammer

However the hyperbole about “anyone who’s killed an animal” etc is nonsense.

No it's not. It's not nonsense, and it's not 'hyperbole.' And especially not when the grim and vile individual, crows about how they smashed a fox to death with a baseball bat - on social media - like he just did. As if it was something to be celebrated..

Nice to see posters showing their true colours on here though. Anyone who thinks what he did is anywhere NEAR acceptable needs to give their head a wobble, and needn't bother talking to me - ever.

You are not the kind of individual I want to speak to, or have anything to do with.

Thankfully, the poll is showing (at the moment,) that 84% of posters, think what this Joylon did is vile. I am rather disturbed that 16% think it's OK though.

Still, at least some 17 out of 20 posters are compassionate, and caring... and decent people. Even if the other 3 out of 20 are not.

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