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AIBU?

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To refuse to go to racist family gatherings?

108 replies

Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 14:31

I have been with DP for 22 years. He is one of three brothers, he's quite well travelled, and professionally successful. He is not racist or homophobic. He was bullied by both brothers growing up, which has affected him a lot.

I think his two brothers are generally highly jealous of him- they are both intelligent but have not been successful in their careers and have never moved from their home town. For 22 years now I have seen nothing but snipy bitchy put downs towards my husband, more like kind of thing you would expect from primary age kids. The brothers are actually quite affectionate towards me, but see me as fair game and utterly laughable as I have socialist views and can't stand racism and homophobia. They 'tease' me constantly by making racist comments. The dad joins in. They are definitely enjoying goading me, but they are also small town, bitter, unsuccessful angry men who genuinely also believe Daily Mail immigrant ranting crap and try to 'explain' their views.

I want to support my husband and see his family (especially his mum who is lovely and not at all well). However this Christmas (yesterday) we got together as usual in their town (we live further away, they all live yards from each other) and the constant racism was incessant. Both have split from long term partners this year and I think their GFs have acted as civilising influences in the past. Every other comment was racist. I never want to see either brother again. Racism is in my view a horrible thing that hurts people in very real ways. They realise how I feel but they do not care enough to stop the comments for a few hours, so should I feel bad even though they clearly love me?

My husband would want to continue to see them, I am sure, which is fine (although he finds their views completely unacceptable). I don't think he can really discuss it with them. They have very poor social skills, are frequently aggressive and have had huge fallings out in front of their parents in the last few years including a fist fight at a very upsetting time. The dad was so upset he was rushed to hospital with heart problems. So I won't be asking my husband to talk reasonably to them as they are not capable of it. My daughters love their uncles, ignore the racist crap and are not remotely influenced by it.

My side of the family is rife with conflicts so I know how much they upset everyone. Me no longer visiting if the brothers will be there will have to be openly discussed...mum and dad are too frail to travel to us and mum invites the brothers over every time we visit as she loves all her boys together. I love this lady and she has had a horrible few years with her health. She would find it very hard to understand and would just tell me to ignore the comments. But I am struggling to do so. Help!!

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CaptainMyCaptain · 23/12/2019 14:37

I wouldn't go and I wouldn't want my daughters influenced by their uncles either.

WorraLiberty · 23/12/2019 14:38

I wouldn't go to be honest.

How old are your DDs and how do you know they're not slowly being influenced by the uncles they love?

Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 14:42

19 and 20 and they are both completely disdainful of racism. They haven't seen a huge amount of this family and I am not too concerned. If anything it allowed us to discuss racism with them when they were little, as they queried some of the comments they heard. My girls are ok. Mainly... I am sad about causing my MIL problems as she is lovely and really quite ill. But honestly...the comments are awful.

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strawberrieshortcake · 23/12/2019 14:43

Of course YANBU but already from the voting I can tell that some people will come and say you should go to keep the peace or whatever. Why should you have to deal with their stupid remarks. Do not go.?

Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 14:44

Can anyone saying I a being unreasonable explain why....as I am genuinely interested as part of me thinks keeping the peace is kinder to my MIL, husband and kids?

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WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 23/12/2019 14:45

Sounds intolerable, I wouldn't want to go either.

londonscalling · 23/12/2019 14:51

You need to make a stand on this. Unless we all call out racism then it will continue!

Shoxfordian · 23/12/2019 14:53

Yeah you need to stop going and encourage your husband to distance himself as well

Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 14:57

Londoncalling I agree... I hate family conflict but I hate racism more

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Notcool1984 · 23/12/2019 14:58

I would never ever see them again, racism and I’m out 100%

1forAll74 · 23/12/2019 15:01

I would go, peace and goodwill is the best, makes you the better person.

BigBairyHollocks · 23/12/2019 15:04

I picked YABU solely because of MIL.I would just continue to go and grit my teeth for her sake.She sounds as though she could do with you there and even though I am not the type of person to let things lie,for this I would.Good luck though, sounds like you’ll need it.

Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 15:09

Yes MIL is my only consideration to be honest... it is so hard... she does not need stress as she has been appallingly ill. It is so hard to listen to their constant crap though. People who are racist do not in my view understand, or deserve peace and goodwill. But she really does.

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Durgasarrow · 23/12/2019 15:14

Is it possible to say no to seeing them on Christmas and visit on another day? Your partner didn't poison the relationship, the brothers did. This is broken.

Leobynature · 23/12/2019 15:14

Some of your language such as ‘small mind mentality’ is bigoted and insulting to those who may have remained close to their small home towns. Anyway I come from a very multicultural family however some of my family members express views I don’t agree with such as chauvinism or homophobia. I give them a good debate and move on. Racism is unacceptable, continue to call it out or state firmly that you don’t want to hear it in your company. Move to another room but see your MIL.

Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 15:19

I didn't say small mind mentality. I didn't mean to imply they are racist because of that. My kids have grown up in a small town. So did I. I am explaining ehy we have to visit them in a job lot. Everyone stays in one big communal kitchen for family get togethers and the brothers deliberately target me as they think it's funny. I do think living in one town all your life, hanging out with your school mates can hinder your ability to talk to people with different views though. With some people. Not all.

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Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 15:22

Durgasarrow thank you... I feel bad but it is not us screwing up this relationship is it!!! I might try driving up and just inviting the parents to the pub a few times for lunches. Then having a tummy bug for the next twenty Christmasses!!!

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derxa · 23/12/2019 15:25

I hate racism but you sound like an utter snob.

SuperSange · 23/12/2019 15:28

I don’t understand why you don't just tell them to fuck off. Then watch them squirm, then leave?

Devereux1 · 23/12/2019 15:36

You should go and assertively tell them you think any racist comments are unacceptable and you will leave if they persist.

On the separate matter of immigration ranting crap, discussion of immigration is obviously not racist unless it is accompanied by racist statements concerning the inferiority of people based on their race.

If they are doing this, then back to telling them you will not stay to listen. If they are not though, then hear their explanation as you have stated yours, and discuss the subject with them.

CaptainMyCaptain · 23/12/2019 15:37

Op does not sound, in any way, like a snob.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 23/12/2019 15:39

How does OP sound like a snob? Confused

1066vegan · 23/12/2019 15:43

Tricky because of the lovely MIL. I think I'd try going and then calling them out on the comments rather than putting up with them to try and keep the peace.

If that would just make them aggressive, then I'd avoid going when they are there, but try to meet up with MIL separately, either at her house or by inviting her out for coffee or lunch.

Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 15:47

Please do explain. I am not a snob. I have standards. I like humans to treat other people like humans. To judge them for what I do. And yes, the immigration views are expressed using offensive racist terms for the asian and black community. If you refervto my husband being successful, it is a reason for the continued attacks on him, and me. He's done well without formal qualifications because he's nice. They hold grudges and punch people. My husband is pretty meek and never ever mentions his job. He doesn't really give a shit about status. They constantly talk about it. Not him. I am many things... but not a snob

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strawberrieshortcake · 23/12/2019 15:48

@1forAll74 ding ding ding bingo