To think that there are too many personal insults and attacks on Tory voters

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I’m really sick of it now. I don’t log on here to be called a cunt, told I hate disabled people and want to ruin the NHS.

I’m interested as to whether others feel the same or if it is just me. If it’s just me, I think I’ll piss off.

I’ve always been frank about being a snowflake 😂

But I'd rather be a cunt than a tory.

Amen

But maybe it would be best OP, if you find you are being impacted by insults, to stay away from internet forums and not engage for a bit. I don't think it will stop anytime soon, (from all sides).
Also if you feel proud and have the conviction that you voted as you truly voted in alignment with your beliefs and values, then surely you don't need to justify or defend your choice.

Aren't you pleased that your party won?

To be fair, ire against Tory voters is not a new phenomenon.

if you’re in a wheelchair you probably can’t be a roofer but you could work in a bank.

Am still ploughing through the posts but have to comment on this.

I have been working since 1978. I've worked in London for over 30 years. During that time I have seen a grand total of one person in a wheelchair working anywhere I have worked or visited.

Employers often don't want disabled employees, regardless of whatever legislation may say. There are still buildings which aren't adapted, same for public transport. It's actually not that easy for a badly disabled person to get a job, no matter how much they want one.

YY Starbucks Tories are very keen on disabled people being found FIT for work.

Not so keen on actually GETTING them to work.............................meaning public transport non adapted workplaces etc.

Starbucks totally agree #TakingTheDis on twitter has many examples proving your point.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-train-disabled-accessibility-election-northern-route-a9254191.html

Starbucks spot on!

Employers unless "encouraged" to do so don't employ, sick or disabled people.

A friend of mine that's a wheelchair user had to fight to keep her job when her employer moved to an unadapted building - she'd been with them over 20 years and was a good employee yet they balked at even relatively minor expense to allow her to access her place of work. She had to threaten legal action before they played fair. She's since moved to a competitor as she felt unwanted, she stayed for several months but the atmosphere was horrendous.

Not only issues with physical disabilities but also try getting a job with a mh dx!

Speaking of personal attacks check out the racists on #StormzyIsAMassiveBellend

As a mixed race, disabled single mum working and reliant on medication and tax credits and working in public services, I have to say I find tories to be pretty much cunty. I’m in fearvfor my future.

Also want to address this point:

"if you’re in a wheelchair you probably can’t be a roofer but you could work in a bank."

The trouble is, that is not how Employment and Support Allowance, or Universal Credit, works... You are either found fit to work, in which case you have to take any job available, or unfit for work in which case you get some financial support and courses to improve your CV or practise interviews. I say this as someone who is disabled - the support they talk about does not actually help you to find a suitable job, employers are less likely to hire a person who has to have regular hospital appointments etc than an equally capable person who doesn't, and again, if you are found fit to work you have to take any job. There is no 'if there are no suitable jobs available you can have your financial support, and if there are you have to work' option - it's work or starve.

And to those talking about scare stories and hysteria when people talk about damage caused by cuts in the NHS and the possibility of dying due to benefit cuts, do you have any idea how dismissive you are being? There are countless stories, the government themselves have admitted to making incorrect decisions which lead to people getting no financial assistance for a year or more... I wish we could all be so privileged to be able to accuse people living on the edge of being hysterical...

I voted Conservative. Also voted for Brexit.
If we'd ended up with a Labour government and a "no" in the Brexit referendum, I'd have to accept it, not throw my toys out of the pram because the majority held a different view to mine.
The fact that so many Labour voters feel entitled to display so much vitriol towards the majority who have different views tells you a lot. You may not agree with Brexit or a Conservative government but that's the decision. It's called democracy. The will of the people is Brexit and a Conservative government. By all means have a constructive debate, but resorting to personal insults isn't acceptable.

“ I'd have to accept it, not throw my toys out of the pram because the majority held a different view to mine.”
I don’t agree with being gratuitously rude. But I don’t understand “accepting” it. That’s not how politics works. It’s about doing everything in your power to produce the change you want to see.

@BertrandRussell
I agree with you. I worded it badly.

Another problem is that generally speaking the most unpleasant statements as part of the public discourse are made by right wingers.

We are just fighting amongst ourselves. It achieves nothing. We get the governement we deserve. All of us.

If you want to change things stop ranting at a keyboard. Change attitudes locally, persuade people, stop being a victim. We are society. US. We are it.

If you are true Labour supporter then stop buying things through Amazon, support the working "man", pay a decent price for what you use. If you care about the NHS - start by taking care of your own health, lose weight, stop smoking, get some exercise. Don't have three kids that you can't afford and expect the govt to pay for them. Volunteer - at least once a month if you can't do once a week, join a residents association to help keep your area safe and in good order, raise your kids to be responsible instead of "entitled". Really - the government is just "us"

Not a popular view and sounds pretentious - but I don't care. (And I am neither a right nor left "winger" )

For example would you go up to my 82 year old father who spent 2 weeks collecting for the Poppy Day appeal and call him a ‘selfish murdering cunt’ if he mentioned he had been delivering leaflets for the conservatives? Or do you just reserve it for when you are behind the safety of your keyboard?

I'd have no issue telling your father that he voted for a racist party who have systematically dismantled the education and health systems as well as kill off the sick and weak and that he won't be around long enough to see it.

Odd that you think that list is something that only Labour supporters should be doing.

Both sides have been awful. I try to refuse to be caught up in it - it sucks the soul from your body, and part of me thinks this is part of a design to make us all hopeless and not bother to challenge anything - just blame each other instead.

This election has been a prime example of that - blame immigration, stupid uneducated voters, benefit claimants (see today's news re Thomas Cook workers, hardly scroungers are they?), but don't blame the people who set policy and determine how the money is spent, and definitely don't blame the super rich tax Dodgers who suck money out of the system either!

I'm all for personal responsibility, but it needs to apply to everyone. It seems to me that this notion is conveniently used to withdraw support from people who desperately need it. Then there's the convenient strategic incompetence that goes unchecked. We just expect our government to be shit at everything, so we let them get away with it. They can propose to put money into a housebuilding scheme, no houses get built and the money disappears, but that's ok as we expect them to be shit and we expect this to happen. People who support the Tories will defend them, people against them will use it as evidence they are incompetent as if that is enough, but they never get challenged.

I'm to blame as much as everyone else with getting passionate about things and accepting the status quo too. However the one thing hat has changed is I refuse to let this divide me from people who have voted differently from me. I think if people stopped letting that happen, it would be a good start in things changing.

Another problem is that generally speaking the most unpleasant statements as part of the public discourse are made by right wingers.

How do you prove something like that? First you have to decide what constitutes an "unpleasant statement" (not to mention what you're going to count as public discourse). Then you have do do some kind of count...

Agreed that it’s not scientific. But Rees-Mogg, Patel, Farage, Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins for example, don’t, I think, have left leaning equivalents.

But Rees-Mogg, Patel, Farage, Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins for example, don’t, I think, have left leaning equivalents

Oh I dunno, Milne, Murphy, Jones and Mason, Mendoza et al might give them a good run for their money in their own areas of "expertise". Not to mention the delightful Halligan and the potential next Labour leader.

If you mostly read AIBU which dominates the site then the impression is of a broadly right of centre/small "c" conservative set of attitudes. Just look at the dog whistling on any thread touching benefits, social housing, race and the perrenial support for shitty men who put up shelves once a year. The policing of women's behaviour here is often shocking.

There are pockets of liberal leftiness for sure, but it certainly isn't a lefty site overall.

Nobody is exempt from challenge and we all have to own our voting decisions and not pretend that the unpleasant bits of our vote outcomes are nothing to do with us.

How is my nonagenarian father and life long labour supporter those things ? Aren't people allowed to decide if someone is inept and not fit for governing.

His current partner who have been together since he was 65 is disabled and a former nurse and she thought Corbyn/Abbot were unfit too.

i find it impossible to feel sorry for people like the op.
i will save my sympathy for the people who will be hurt by the torys again.
the disabled, poor, sick......the list goes on.
strange how the op had to nc.