To agree with JK Rowling?

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‘Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill’

Post puberty, if I don't have a period it's an indication that I will need to see a doctor, whether that is to get my contraception checked, to talk about HRT or to check that I'm not suffering from a health problem.

No, it quite simply is not. I've had a hysterectomy - I don't go to the doctor every month because I haven't had a period.

Ok but how many trans women have had hysterectomies?

Zero.

It is simple

The point being a male would never be asked about periods as males never ever in this history of human kind have had periods and we have not evolved physically for that to change (and no sign of that happening any time soon)

A woman (female adult) will be asked, if the GP is aware that they have had their womb removed, womb didn’t fully develop, they never had periods, their periods for some reason stopped (can be a number of reasons why) the questions would be different but it would be because of medical background not a feeling a patient has about themselves and what sex they perceive themselves to be

Ok but how many trans women have had hysterectomies?

Plenty of transmen have had them, but I suppose you would class a transman walking into the GP as a "woman walking into the GP".

No, it quite simply is not. I've had a hysterectomy - I don't go to the doctor every month because I haven't had a period.

Only a woman can have a hysterectomy.

However, I am not you and I have not had a hysterectomy.

Things are going to get awfully confusing if we can't agree that 1st person, 2nd person and 3rd person pronouns have a clear meaning.

A woman (female adult) will be asked, if the GP is aware that they have had their womb removed, womb didn’t fully develop, they never had periods, their periods for some reason stopped (can be a number of reasons why) the questions would be different but it would be because of medical background not a feeling a patient has about themselves and what sex they perceive themselves to be

I agree - but that's not what you originally said. You said:

Put it this simple way. Should I go to the GP (mid 40’s) and say that I am feel exhausted all the time the first question would be are my periods regular

You've just illustrated that it isn't 'this simple way' because when you have actually thought about it, your 26 word explanation actually needs 70 words.

Plenty of transmen have had them, but I suppose you would class a transman walking into the GP as a "woman walking into the GP".

Yes, if I were talking about biological sex, not gender.

Sex classification is very important when you seek medical treatment.

You've just illustrated that it isn't 'this simple way' because when you have actually thought about it, your 26 word explanation actually needs 70 words.

The GP only needs one word to prompt the questions that Enthusiasm has listed - 'female'.

However, I am not you and I have not had a hysterectomy. Things are going to get awfully confusing if we can't agree that 1st person, 2nd person and 3rd person pronouns have a clear meaning.

Fair enough, but if you're relating personal anecdotes with no intention of suggesting they have a general application or a wider relevance to the discussion in progress, there's little point in mentioning them.

Females will be asked different questions to males as biologically their bodies are different when seeking medical attention

your 26 word explanation actually needs 70 words.

That's what happens when people persist in trying to clarify to someone being deliberately obtuse.

*The GP only needs one word to prompt the questions that Enthusiasm has listed - 'female'

I wouldn't think much of a GP who asked about periods simply because the patient had the word 'female' in their medical records -

• Would a GP ask this about an 80 year old female?
• Would a GP ask this about a 5 year old female?
• Would a GP ask this about a female whose medical records showed they'd had a hysterectomy?
• Would a GP ask this about a female who was half way through a pregnancy?

Fair enough, but if you're relating personal anecdotes with no intention of suggesting they have a general application or a wider relevance to the discussion in progress, there's little point in mentioning them.

Did you honestly think that the point of my post was that people who have had hysterectomies have to go to the doctor every month to check whether they have had a period?

Where have I called a trans woman a “man” or a trans man a “woman”, ever? I have expressly said several times in this thread I oppose misgendering. But your point about wombs and hysterectomies isn’t a good one, and I don’t see how it advances the transgender cause.

Oh ffs

I pointed out that I am in my mid 40’s. If there was a reason I was not having periods pregnancy, hysterectomy, long term health issues and my periods had stopped, contraception pill to stop period I would inform the GP of this. And I am quite sure when I am 80 I will look post menopausal and the questions would be different

But I could still be on HRT due to ongoing symptoms from the menopause

Really what point are you arguing that males can have periods or that feeling you are female overrides biology?

Nunsetting in the examples you give, the reasons that the women are not having periods are specific to their sex, as explained earlier.

I suspect you are just disingenuously pretending that sex is not relevant to medical care because you enjoy arguing the toss on mumsnet, but I hope you aren't involved in any area of public policy.

Or if you do have a job that affects public policy, you are little more sensible in real life.

(and I fully accept that it would be hypocritical for my to criticise anyone for wasting time arguing the toss on Mumsnet! )

The best was can do is follow English law. If he or she has had a sex change and is fully and legally changed under our existing law then the law will treat them as now of the other gender. That is a good compromise and not that many people go through that.

In 2018 about 5000 people had changed their gender by law. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/721642/GEO-LGBT-factsheet.pdf That is not enough of them to have a material difference in important areas such as statistics about male on female violence and the like so keeping the current law it is is probably the right thing to do.

..sorry I meant 5000 changed gender in the UK between the act coming into force in about 2004 and to 2018.

I suspect you are just disingenuously pretending that sex is not relevant to medical care because you enjoy arguing the toss on mumsnet, but I hope you aren't involved in any area of public policy

I'm not saying, and I haven't said, that sex isn't relevant to medical care.

What irritates me is attempts to reduce the situation to one-line right/wrong statements - if someone is female, this happens, end of story. All women have periods.

People might be accustomed to posting statements like Should I go to the GP (mid 40’s) and say that I am feel exhausted all the time the first question would be are my periods regular and getting lots of agreement and cheering on from people who aren't able to think critically - all I am saying is that you cannot reduce questions of sex to simple 'yes' or 'no' tests like that.

I’m late to this’ll I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned but she got fired for sending 150 transphobic tweets. It wasn’t one incident.

Sadly, you are probably wasting your time mentioning this, jeans. To the people on this thread, Maya and JKR can do no wrong at all. Anyone not prepared to follow the unthinking herd as they sing their glories will get some reasoned responses, but should also be prepared to receive personal attacks and childish insults for their pains.

What's trabsphobia, though?