To agree with JK Rowling?

[StraightenUpAndFryRight]

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‘Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill’

What kitten said.

And yes the usual disclaimer about how Scots joke about hating the English. I actually live in England these days and have done for a decade plus now and love everyone here. I could truly do with less Americans wanting to examine my family tree though.

Janes - drink lots of the ginger stuff, declare Bill Forsyth is the best film maker ever, say ‘aye right’ a lot and your in.

Also do you know how to make tablet?

Am serious about my Scots identity...sorry...slinks away....

Change your twitter/facebook image to a cartoon Scotswoman. Anime-style who can.

As far as I can tell, having an anime image magically renders you a woman, no further effort required.

JOHN THOMAS

MEMBER

PHALLUS

*anime-style if you can

Personally, my inner identity, strongly and genuinely held, is Scottish. I'm an Aussie who's only visited twice. (I have a Scottish great-grandmother/father/million other rellos though, so dare I say, have genetic and cultural links)

I am sad I cannot live in Scotland. I am sad I cannot vote in Scottish elections or referendum. I am sad I cannot work in Scotland

Personally as someone born, living and working in Scotland I find this truly bizarre- but all Scottish nationalism/ separatism is bizarre.

I hope unlike those greatest living Scotsman who don't actually live in Scotland (Sean Connery, Irvine Welsh, Alan Cumming) you won't presume to tell us who do how we should vote should there be another separatist referendum.

Oddly I've actually heard (deeply unpleasant) nationalists say JKR had no business speaking out against the last campaign or contributing to the No campaign because she is English.

The problem with redefining 'woman' to include males is that we still need a word that means biological woman. 'Cis woman' won't cut it, because what about transmen? Anyway, it's obvious that as soon as we invent a new word for 'woman', transwomen will co-opt it. It actually makes no sense to give up 'woman' at all. We should stick with 'women' and 'transwomen'.

you won't presume to tell us who do how we should vote should there be another separatist referendum

You missed the point that I am quite clear on the fact that I am NOT Scottish and therefore have no rights to an opinion on anything Scots.

Liking Scotland and my Scots familial connections is a lot less bizarre than thinking people can change sex though!

Jamie

Cartoon Joan McAlpine ? Two birds one stone ?

@AttheTitoftheiceberg - I love your explanation. I will try and show it to my super-woke teen dd. I just CANNOT get my position across. She thinks I am a bigoted old transphobe.

women are saying you can't change sex, and that being a woman is far more than make up, clothes etc, it's a complex thing to describe...yet apparently being a man is all about having a penis

There is nothing contradictory about that position. If you have a penis you are male. If you have a vagina you are female. Wearing a dress and make up does not make a male person female, because womanhood is rooted in biology, just as manhood is. A male person can present in a feminine way and choose to conform to feminine stereotypes (which is where the make up, clothes etc come in) but that does not make them female / a woman.

Cartoon Joan McAlpine ? Two birds one stone ?

Sorted. Once that's in place, you're Scottish, and if anyone disagrees with you, you can call it anti-Scots bigotry! If someone from Scotland disagrees, it's transallophobia..

EveryKingdomOfRain I don't think they are actually talking about being Scottish you know. It's an analogy.
HTH

women are saying you can't change sex, and that being a woman is far more than make up, clothes etc, it's a complex thing to describe...yet apparently being a man is all about having a penis

I don’t think women aren’t saying that it’s complex to describe why they’re a woman at all. They just know they are. And women don’t have penises and men do.

The complexity is all coming from the trans groups, where their “innate sense of womanhood” can never be described without resorting to regressive gender stereotypes. When those are taken away the explanations are complex and confusing, because it all hangs on gender stereotypes and without them there’s nothing left.

Put it this simple way

Should I go to the GP (mid 40’s) and say that I am feel exhausted all the time the first question would be are my periods regular

If a trans woman (op or no ops hormones or no hormones) of a similar age goes to the GP with the same symptoms they would not be asked this

Because they are biologically different and the question of periods will never be asked because their bodies are not designed to have periods (and aware some females do not have periods this is a health issue not down to a psychological issue) sex is different biologically men are different

So no matter how much males say they feel they are a woman they are not biology determines this can’t get away from that fact

As someone with a genetics major and over 15 years' experience in the field the "sex is a spectrum" comments from supposed scientists do my head in 😖 the cherrypicking of data beggars belief... I have searched the literature... there is not one recorded instance of a person with no XX chromosomes who has given birth (yes there is one example of a person who had XX/XY mosaicism who has....)

Enthusiasm And women are having to quietly deal with HRT shortages, hunting for supliers.

Imagine the outrage if hormones weren't available? It would be tantamount to murder.

suppliers

Should I go to the GP (mid 40’s) and say that I am feel exhausted all the time the first question would be are my periods regular If a trans woman (op or no ops hormones or no hormones) of a similar age goes to the GP with the same symptoms they would not be asked this.

You've acknowledged yourself that not all women have periods later in your post, so this 'simple way' is not effective as a test.

I'm in my mid-40s too, but my GP wouldn't be asking me about my periods because I don't have a womb. Does that make me a man in your eyes?

Nunsnetting

I am assuming you are a female

If so no of course I made that clear in my post not all women (adult human females) have periods the reasons are health reasons not down to a feeling of being a woman

The point is that you presented this as a 'simple way' to differentiate, but even in your own post you had later to acknowledge that it isn't a simple way because not all women have periods.

YANBU.
I agree with her.

You've acknowledged yourself that not all women have periods later in your post, so this 'simple way' is not effective as a test.

I think you are misunderstanding. Many women do not have periods, but the significance of not having a period is completely different for men and women.

If I don't have a period it is because I haven't yet reached puberty, I am pregnant, I am ill, I am taking medication that prevents periods, I am post menopause, or I have had a hysterectomy. Post puberty, if I don't have a period it's an indication that I will need to see a doctor, whether that is to get my contraception checked, to talk about HRT or to check that I'm not suffering from a health problem.

If a man went to the doctor to check why he wasn't having a period, there might be concern, but not about reproductive health...

None of this has anything to do with my identity.