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Tony Blair keep your nose out

216 replies

billysboy · 18/12/2019 16:18

When will this odious individual just clear off

I thought he was supposed to be sorting out the middle east ?

He thinks we have forgotten his illegal war , selling our gold , creating millions of jobs and then giving them all away , his little twist on the Good Friday Agreement allowing immunity for IRA bombers, his millions of pounds and multiple homes , I could go on

I would love him to just Feck off and stay in oblivion !

unreasonable ?

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wowfudge · 19/12/2019 18:23

There's nothing wrong with having appeal. I mean, fgs Boris appeals to a lot of people for some strange reason. It's nothing to do with Love Island, it's to do with being acceptable to a broad range of people. I suspect a lot of people don't like him, but think he must know what he's doing because of his background, etc.

For me, Ed Milliband had no appeal whatsoever and he was chosen by the Labour membership over his brother who was much more statesman like and charismatic. Corbyn is a total throwback with no leadership skills.

MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2019 18:27

Alsohuman what would you say the top policies were v what people heard first? Ie people heard free broadband, nationalisation, 4 day week, Waspi and a long list of promises that sounded unaffordable. How different were the ones that people were ok with or the same?

Ed v David is where Labour missed a good opportunity.

Alsohuman · 19/12/2019 18:30

I don’t know/can’t remember the detail. Renationalisation was well liked.

MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2019 18:33

They definitely put me off and I hear the same on here and in media a lot. Corbyn was part of it too.

Alsohuman · 19/12/2019 18:44

Corbyn was more than a part of it. He was the reason lots of us held our noses.

MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2019 18:47

For me. But both came together for one unattractive proposition.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 19/12/2019 19:01

Tony Blair was in power when my dc were young. He introduced so much that helped families. His aim was to lift all children out of poverty.

We got: Baby bonus in the first year of a babies life. Like an extra child benefit.

Extra money through child tax credits at 40 quid a month(earning ceiling was 45k)

Money to invest on the birth of a child to help save towards their future, with more at set ages.

Rolled out Sure Start centres to break the link between poverty and poor parenting

Gave all 3 year olds free nursery education and had it planned to do same for 2 year olds

Massive support for childcare for anyone up to 60k ceiling

They introduced the EMA

They extended paid
maternity leave from 12 weeks to 9 months

They introduced the Disability Rights Act

The pumped money into education (lm a teacher) I’m so many ways.

And people slag him offConfused. Yes, l know there was Iraq, and yes it was awful.

But in terms of supporting society they were outstanding. I don’t really care whether Labour is left, right or central. I will always vote for them, because ANY Labour government is better than a Conservative one.

But it has to be a Labour Party with a broad appeal. And as Blair won 3 landslides, they should be looking at what made him successful and listen to him, rather than letting ideology take over.

Those of us who remember Labour in power were staggered by what happened to Alistair Campbell. He was the one who propelled the most successful Labour government to power ever. I’ve vote Labour all my life including the wilderness years in the 80’s

I am seriously pissed off at how crap they are atm

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 19/12/2019 19:05

And also introduced the minimum wage

Tellmetruth4 · 19/12/2019 19:06

Well he’s arrogant and wouldn’t be someone I’d invite around for dinner or be a friend but he’s the best PM in my lifetime (mid 40s) by a country mile.

People now choose PMs based on whether they can have a pint with them. I just want them to be able to lead and make good decisions for our country. Apart from Iraq (the a Conservatives would’ve also followed the US in if they were in power) Blair’s premiership was a great success.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 19/12/2019 19:10

Best pm in my lifetime too. I remember the hope and euphoria when he came to power. It felt like at last there was someone on your side, who thought like you, and wanted to make a better and happier society.

And now we’ve got fucking Boris.

yellowallpaper · 19/12/2019 19:15

He is the most successful labour politician in recent years because (despite all the stupid mistakes he made) he was centrist and tried to be all things to all people.

Totally agree with him that the Labour Party will never be electable with the current Marxist batshit policies touted by Corbyn and his like. If they don't kick out momentum and the madness they have perpetrated they will keep the Tories in government forever.

Eyewhisker · 19/12/2019 19:37

Best PM in my lifetime and I would have him back in a heartbeat. I remember a colleague saying that the longer New Labour were in power, the nicer the UK became. Since he left, I’ve been politically homeless, but in my heart I am always New Labour. Boris makes me shudder.

reallychristmasaaagain · 19/12/2019 19:45

Even leaving all the detail aside if you just look at the funding for education, we have got so far to go to get back to where things were in 2010 in real terms.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 19/12/2019 19:56

I think the poster up thread made an interesting point. That it is their duty to be electable, so therefore they need to mend their ways.

My own politics are very left wing. And l would love a very left wing government, but it ain’t going to happen. So they need to dust themselves down, elect a centre based leader to save the poor, the young, the disabled, the old and the sick.

Writing about that Labour government has actually made me fucking cry. 😢Such a hopeful, forward and caring government. And now we’ve got this shower of shite

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 19/12/2019 19:58

My ds is a political journalist in London. He sent me this, that was doing the rounds of the media after the election

Tony Blair keep your nose out
BigFatLiar · 20/12/2019 11:20

Trouble is whoever they elect as new leader our perception of them is based on what we read in the press. If they do appear to be coming popular it won't be long before they will also be in trouble with stories in the media. They don't have to be true, most will by default believe the worst in them.

Scarsthelot · 20/12/2019 13:32

My ds is a political journalist in London. He sent me this, that was doing the rounds of the media after the election

Thata a very poor comparison.

Since all of those things have huge input from the leader, especially the policies, while many dont list the leader as their top reason for nor voting for them....its a massively important aspect.

ImGoingToBangYourHeadsTogether · 20/12/2019 13:39

But he was not all things to all people. I think some of you have rose-tinted spectacles on, after all the anti-Blair noise.

It was in his time that buy-to-let expanded and was encouraged, and the whole concept of social housing pretty much destroyed. It was in his time that tuition fees became normal. It was in his time that council funding was changed into separate pots that all had to be competed for, instead of allowing councils to assign their funds where it was needed. It was in his time that we had ridiculous targetting regimes installed, that led to the entire country to become focused on ticking boxes and getting paperwork right instead of focused on needs. He changed the culture of the country all right. Into one that papered over cracks, declared that we were all middle class now, and liked to brush the rest of us, increasingly voiceless and disadvantaged, under the carpet.

user1497207191 · 20/12/2019 14:39

But he was not all things to all people. I think some of you have rose-tinted spectacles on, after all the anti-Blair noise.

Would you have preferred 13 more years or Tory rule instead. Because that was the alternative - Blair's Labour or Tory.

LaurieMarlow · 20/12/2019 14:45

But he was not all things to all people

Well of course he wasn't.

But that's still better than being no things to no people, which is what parties that don't get elected are.

PineappleDanish · 20/12/2019 14:46

He's the last successful Labour leader. The current crop of the shadow cabinet should listen to what he has to say.

OLDquestion · 20/12/2019 14:55

I agree with every single thing he has said and continues to say both on Brexit and on the current Labour Party. Far more eloquent a speaker than either Johnson or Corbyn, and expresses my views on the EU entirely.

So I personally hope he doesn’t shut up.

fascicle · 21/12/2019 11:10

BigFatLiar
Trouble is whoever they elect as new leader our perception of them is based on what we read in the press. If they do appear to be coming popular it won't be long before they will also be in trouble with stories in the media. They don't have to be true, most will by default believe the worst in them.

I don't think enough thought is giving to the impact of positive/negative media coverage which must hugely shape party and leader perceptions, whether or not people realise. Loughborough University produced weekly analysis on the election coverage, including whether information was presented favourably or not. Unsurprisingly, newspaper coverage was far more negative in its coverage of Labour than the Conservatives. Here's the report produced for the last week of election campaigning. Section 2 looks at newspaper coverage:

www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/general-election/report-5/

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 21/12/2019 14:10

Tuition fees were charged as, after research, the followed the advice about the best time to help children was when they were young. So they introduced Sure Start and free nursery places, to improve outcomes for disadvantaged children. They found the fund both ends, so low is tuition fees were introduced, but were still free to those with low incomes.

Hers a lust if the good thing she did. Not mine but lifted from Twitter. After 15 years of hideous horrible endless bastard Tory governments we were desperate
for change.

Labour moves to the centre, we will be indistinguishable from Tories.

I mean, there might be a few small differences, like how a centre-left Labour government lifted 600,000 children and 1 million pensioners out of poverty.

But otherwise Tory.

Oh yeah, and a centre-left Labour government doubled funding for every pupil, and added 36,000 extra teachers and 274,000 teaching assistants, transforming education and giving a better future for millions.

But apart from that, basically Tory.

And sure, a centre-left Labour government won 3 elections back-to-back, giving it time to train and employ 85,000 more nurses, cut NHS waiting times by 82% and get in-patient waiting lists down half a million.

But really: just Tory.

Oh, and they introduced minimum wage, created 1.8 million new jobs, cut long term unemployment by 75%, doubled the number of apprenticeships, and introduced right to 24 days holiday and 2 weeks paternity leave.

So there's that minor difference from Tories.

And yeah, ok, so they had the longest period of low inflation growth since 1960, created an independent Bank of England, and wrote off debt for dozens of poor nations.

Which I grant you, is a bit different from Tories. But only a bit. Not proper Labour.

And they delivered peace in Ireland, added 14,000 extra police, cut crime by 35% and increased criminal justice (court) spending by 21%

And opened 2,200 Sure Start centres, brought record literacy, record numeracy, and free nursery places.

But otherwise: pure Conservative

And they doubled overseas aid, which isn't exactly Tory.

And created GiftAid.

And brought in devolution for Scotland and Wales

Banned fur farming

And brought Human Rights Act into UK law

And the cleanest rivers, beaches, water and air since industrial revolution

But Tory, basically. Just Thatcherism.

Pretty much.

Except for 26% increase in child benefit, introduction of winter fuel payments, improvements to 1 million social homes, child Tax Credits, and creation of 3 million child trust funds.

Oh yeah, and they Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships, the Tory scum.

And banned fox hunting, I'll grant you.

And free TV licenses to over 75s

And free entry to museums and art galleries

And a smoking ban, to annoy Nigel Farage

But apart from that.

Oh shit, I forgot.

Free eye tests and bus travel for over 60s

Heart disease deaths down 150,000

Cancer deaths down 50,000

Free breast screening for 50-70 year-olds

And created NHS Direct.

Just like bloody Tories would. Probably.

And it's true they created less debt than the Tory government before them and the Tory government after, even though they had to bail out the banks after a global crash.

So I guess being better at economics than Tories isn't exactly Tory.

Anyway, as I was saying.

The last thing Labour should do now is move to the centre, cos even if we do win elections we are basically the same as Tories.

I mean, sure,I might have identified a few tiny, insignificant differences.

But apart from that.

Anyway: I think I've made my case.

Stay where Corbyn took us: historic defeat, but Purity Of Essence.

Cos that definitely helps the country more than implementing all those terrible things I listed above. Who needs all that shit?

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TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 21/12/2019 14:19

I know the start of that message was garbled!