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Tony Blair keep your nose out

216 replies

billysboy · 18/12/2019 16:18

When will this odious individual just clear off

I thought he was supposed to be sorting out the middle east ?

He thinks we have forgotten his illegal war , selling our gold , creating millions of jobs and then giving them all away , his little twist on the Good Friday Agreement allowing immunity for IRA bombers, his millions of pounds and multiple homes , I could go on

I would love him to just Feck off and stay in oblivion !

unreasonable ?

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Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 17:47

So, no first hand knowledge then@scarsthelot, just MN anecdote.

Where did I say that? I was saying ita nor just me and has been discussed further here.

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/12/2019 17:51

@Alsohuman sadly for you, it is true.

SHE HAD THE CHOICE to spend Brent Crude revenues on creating a sovereign fund.

Instead, she poured that money into welfare. A complete and utter waste of a chance to propel this country into, maybe, the 3rd largest economy in the world. Because she actually DID care about the working class. Why do you think they voted for her??? How many times did they vote for her?

Now, as I know you have never heard of 'sovereign wealth fund' in your life, perhaps you should stop sneering and pay attention.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 17:55

His downfall was Iraq but he knew when he was toxic for Labour and stepped aside.

He stepped down because they knew what's was coming and didnt want labour to be elected. He and the party knew that GB was unelectable.

ItsNearlyMorning · 18/12/2019 17:56

You are very unreasonable!
He's right and why should he keep his nose out ?
He's a far more successful and credible politician and party leader than the joker on the way out!

LaurieMarlow · 18/12/2019 17:59

I agree less murders is good.

Ok great. You’re starting to sound like a reasonable human. We can work with that.

And Blair, in helping to get the GFA over the line, contributed to that, correct?

Alsohuman · 18/12/2019 18:01

@ScreamingLadySutch, insulting me won’t make me take you any more seriously. I give you the Tory governments of the last nine years make Thatcher look benign but she ground the faces of the poor by any other standards. Unfortunately for you, I lived through those times and saw the evidence with my own eyes.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 18:01

Ok great. You’re starting to sound like a reasonable human. We can work with that.

And Blair, in helping to get the GFA over the line, contributed to that, correct?

You dont. You sound like a robot parroting.

The face of NI hasnt changed. Which is what I challenged.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 18:02

And if giving a shit that your own country isnt changed that much, makes you non human, I am happy to take that.

I would rather be that person than someone who doesnt really know the reality claiming 'the face of NI has changed'.

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/12/2019 18:06

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nauticant · 18/12/2019 18:10

Threads about Blair certainly attract the nutters.

He seems to be effective at uniting the loony left and frothing right.

LaurieMarlow · 18/12/2019 18:10

My entire family live in the border counties in NI scars

I can assure you our lives have changed dramatically.

No more bombscares, no more walking to school past lines of armed soldiers, no more midnight evacuations, no more searches at the border, no more acquaintances being brutally murdered, no more fear of being out at night,

I’m trying to understand how you could see that as anything other than dramatic change. And I’m struggling tbh.

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/12/2019 18:20

@Alsohuman you started it. When an economically ignorant woke emotion sneeringly tells me that my economic facts are wrong using emotion instead of countering facts? I get very, very aggressive. Emotions do not trump facts. So don't do it otherwise you will get flayed.

Harsh fact: the coal industry was being undercut by Poland. Harsh fact: the shipping industry was being undercut by South Korea.

She might have SAID it in the wrong way, but she was not wrong. Yes I wish the government then had invested in those areas (IT, increased education etc). But she was NOT WRONG to shut the subsidising of those industries down.

Of course, the industries themselves (including British Leyland and all those amazing brands) COULD HAVE adapted, COULD have evolved into equity partnership, COULD used their superior technology and institutional knowledge to adapt, become efficient and regain the markets? But, oooh dear, Union ideology and left Labour bullshit

Capital is ruthlessly logical. Capital does not care about anything other than risk, and return (profit). Capital does not care about emotions, what 'should' happen, or any other thing

IF you do not provide the product most efficiently at the most efficient cost? Capital moves. And no amount of left wing squawking stops it.

KatherineJaneway · 18/12/2019 18:23

Best prime minister in recent history tbf

Hard to argue with this

Actually very easy to argue against that statement.

Goldensummer that was Gordon Brown.

Nope that was Blair, he was just smart enough to hand over power not long before the inevitable crash.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 18:27

My entire family live in the border counties in NIscars

Great for you. Ita surely not that hard to understand those positives dont apply to everyone. Your families lives in NI have changed dramatically.

It's not the case for all of us. It's like the events of the beginning of this year have just been forgotten.

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/12/2019 18:31

Northern Island Agreement:

The agreement acknowledged:

that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland wished to remain a part of the United Kingdom;
that a substantial section of the people of Northern Ireland, and the majority of the people of the island of Ireland, wished to bring about a united Ireland.
Both of these views were acknowledged as being legitimate. For the first time, the Irish government accepted in a binding international agreement that Northern Ireland was part of the United Kingdom.[8] The Irish Constitution was also amended to implicitly recognise Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom's sovereign territory,[6] conditional upon the consent for a united Ireland from majorities of the people in both jurisdictions on the island. On the other hand, the language of the agreement reflects a switch in the United Kingdom's statutory emphasis from one for the union to one for a united Ireland.[8] The agreement thus left the issue of future sovereignty over Northern Ireland open-ended.[9]

The agreement reached was that Northern Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, and would remain so until a majority of the people both of Northern Ireland and of the Republic of Ireland wished otherwise. Should that happen, then the British and Irish governments are under "a binding obligation" to implement that choice.

Irrespective of Northern Ireland's constitutional status within the United Kingdom, or part of a united Ireland, the right of "the people of Northern Ireland" to "identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both" (as well as their right to hold British or Irish citizenship or both) was recognised. By the words "people of Northern Ireland" the Agreement meant "all persons born in Northern Ireland and having, at the time of their birth, at least one parent who is a British citizen, an Irish citizen or is otherwise entitled to reside in Northern Ireland without any restriction on their period of residence."[10]

The two governments also agreed, irrespective of the position of Northern Ireland:

the power of the sovereign government with jurisdiction there shall be exercised with rigorous impartiality on behalf of all the people in the diversity of their identities and traditions and shall be founded on the principles of full respect for, and equality of, civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights, of freedom from discrimination for all citizens, and of parity of esteem and of just and equal treatment for the identity, ethos and aspirations of both communities.

As part of the agreement, the British parliament repealed the Government of Ireland Act 1920 (which had established Northern Ireland, partitioned Ireland and asserted a territorial claim over all of Ireland) and the people of the Republic of Ireland amended Articles 2 and 3 of the Constitution of Ireland, which asserted a territorial claim over Northern Ireland.

LaurieMarlow · 18/12/2019 18:31

It's not the case for all of us. It's like the events of the beginning of this year have just been forgotten.

Not forgotten at all. A fucking awful reminder of what it was like before the GFA.

However, in this case a horrific once off, not the type of occurrence that was happening weekly.

And a significant decrease in sectarian violence and drastically lowered murder rates is the case for all of us.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 18:35

No fear of going out at night? You are wrong

Fear of being murdered? You are wrong.

No more walking past soldiers. You are right. Instead its organised gangs.

Still have no go areas.

Weeks before April there were several incidents. A bomb in january. It wasnt a one off at all. But I can see how people who dont live it, dont see and think that because they are ok, everyone else must be.

Bluntness100 · 18/12/2019 18:36

Suspect folks think he's the best prime minister because he's the only labour one to win an election for years,,,🤣🤣🤣🤣

Normally he talks shite, but to be fair to him, on this he is right.

CrissmussMockers · 18/12/2019 18:36

Yes, Lehmann Brothers and the US junk bond market, all Blair's fault.

It's a pity he can't do humble and admit he was wrong because he still talks a lot of sense.

woodhill · 18/12/2019 18:37

We weren't well off under Blair. No tax credits. Just slightly over the threshold.

He was on the make with the lovely Cherie

LaurieMarlow · 18/12/2019 18:42

Ok scars in your area there are still issues. In Northern Ireland as a whole life has changed dramatically as evidenced by the drastically lower murder rates and reduced sectarian violence.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 18:45

I already said I agree on the murder rates.

Fear of violence is still the same it's just different for a lot of us. Therefore the face of northern ireland hasnt changed.

LaurieMarlow · 18/12/2019 18:50

Fear of violence is still the same it's just different for a lot of us.

Drastically reduced for most

Therefore the face of northern ireland hasnt changed

Of course it has, you’re starting to sound silly.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 18:53

You are starting to sound like someone who forgets, that your family benefitting doesnt mean everyone has and you are so closed minded and convinced of your narrative, you cant imagine it's different for others.

Ita nor dramatically reduced. Its just different.

awaynboilyurheid · 18/12/2019 18:59

Tony Blair should definitely be advising Labour today, I know some will not share mine or other opinions who thought he was a good PM and will want to villify him , but economically the UK was better when he was in charge, the unions hated him but he modernised the party. He also worked hard to try to bring some peace to NI when both sides were entrenched in a bitter divide.
Thatcher set about systematically destroying Britain with her short termist policies, then Cameron set off the whole mess of Brexit but yes let’s all blame everything on Tony Blair.