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Tony Blair keep your nose out

216 replies

billysboy · 18/12/2019 16:18

When will this odious individual just clear off

I thought he was supposed to be sorting out the middle east ?

He thinks we have forgotten his illegal war , selling our gold , creating millions of jobs and then giving them all away , his little twist on the Good Friday Agreement allowing immunity for IRA bombers, his millions of pounds and multiple homes , I could go on

I would love him to just Feck off and stay in oblivion !

unreasonable ?

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reginafelangee · 18/12/2019 16:59

@Goldensummer that was Gordon Brown.

Goldensummer · 18/12/2019 16:59

"Thatcher spent far more than Blair. "

Thatcher didn't leave the country completely bankrupt.

easyandy101 · 18/12/2019 17:00

Iraq war would have been worse if America did it alone i reckon

And yeah any other politician at the time would have jumped in

BelleSausage · 18/12/2019 17:00

I would welcome him back with open arms. If he’d been leader they would have won.

It is time for Blairite to stop being an insult. Until some on the Labour left learn that then there is no hope for the party.

GinDaddy · 18/12/2019 17:02

He is a polarising individual who made an enormous miscalculation and embarked on cynical misdirection regarding the Iraq War. He is as a result the architect of much of the problems Labour face today with Momentum reacting to him and Blairism etc.

Yet I cannot understand the "he is a cunt" stuff from people who claim to be of the Left - really? The man is a three-time election winner who got us into power to do good with it. He should be respected and listened to by our party as someone who is an architect of history, not to be served dog's abuse by people who have achieved a hundreth of what he has.

My word, when Lord Lamont or Heseltine speak, the Tory party listens as one - they may not agree with them but their role in history is clear. We need to be the same.

SoldiersinPetticoats · 18/12/2019 17:02

YABU
You might not like him personally but he's the most successful leader Labour have ever had. Unlike Corbyn he can argue his point and policy without getting pissy with interviewers. And unlike Corbyn he managed get both working class and middle class people to vote for him.

And I believe it was George Osboune that sold off our gold in 2015.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 17:04

And I absolutely will not criticise him for his role in getting the GFA over the line, that changed the face of NI.

Where in NI do you live?

donquixotedelamancha · 18/12/2019 17:08

Thatcher didn't leave the country completely bankrupt.

Not true. Thatcher sold off a lot of assets, spent that, raised taxes hugely (mostly indirect), increased borrowing, increased unemployment.

You can argue that many of her structural reforms were positive but you'd be hard pressed to fairly argue that she ran the economy well or that all the instability couldn't be avoided.

Brown increased borrowing largely for one specific crisis, not of his making. It absolutely would have been less bad if he'd regulated the banks better but the Tories criticised him for being too cautious.

LaurieMarlow · 18/12/2019 17:08

Where in NI do you live

Why do you want to know?

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/12/2019 17:08

"Best prime minister in recent history tbf"

You HAVE to be joking.

The New Labour Project, which very much existed, which was very much planned - changed this country irrevocably, WITHOUT CONSULTING THE PEOPLE, and completely without our consent. From gold to war to gross overspending to population growth 'in order to make the Conservatives unelectable' (hoping that is working for you, NL)

And then the people were told they were racist and bigoted for expressing their concerns.

when ex marxists and ex Trotskyites tell us there was a Project, there was a project.

Janet Daly (who was a marxist) writes for the Telegraph and Peter Hitchins (Trotskyite) write very well on the Mandelson/Macdonald, Darling etc (all student communists) agenda. As Hitchins absolutely loathes the Conservative Party and who also has the moral courage his brother had, it makes him all the more believable.

Mandelson, of course, now is a fully fledged capitalist with equity shares and sitting on various plc boards Hmm

"Mr [Andrew Neather] wrote an article praising immigration because it provided lots of cheap nannies and gardeners for funky Londoners like him.

Apparently thinking nobody would notice, he then revealed that there had been ‘a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the UK Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural’.

He recalled coming away from high-level discussions ‘with a clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date’.

I have to say I am not surprised. Nor am I so sure about the ‘main purpose’. In late 1996, an old friend of mine abandoned his long career as a distinguished journalist and went to work for New Labour.

We held a sort of wake, since from now on we would be opponents. I asked him why he had done this awful thing. He replied: ‘You have no idea at all just how enormous the New Labour Project is.’

This was one of those moments when a shiver really does run down the spine. Knowing the Labour leader to be a Blair of Very Little Brain, I had assumed he was no more than window-dressing for a standard-issue high-tax anti-British socialist government.

From then on, I began to suspect that something much bigger was afoot – a gigantic, irreversible cultural, social and sexual revolution, accompanied by huge constitutional change – a slow-motion putsch.

I think that suspicion was borne out. Mass immigration, so vast that Britain would have to adapt to the migrants rather than the other way round, would be very useful in attaining this.

You could smear your opposition as ‘racist’ if they dared to resist. And they would run away.

Anthony Blair’s hysterical speech ‘attacking the ‘forces of conservatism’ in September 1999 was a barely coded warning of what was to come. He all but blamed the Tories for murdering Martin Luther King and locking up Nelson Mandela. He specifically praised the curse of multiculturalism.

As my colleague Simon Walters points out, William Hague grasped what was happening, and in March 2001 he sought to oppose it with a bold speech. He warned that after two terms of Labour, Britain would be a ‘foreign land’. He was dead right.

I have searched out that speech and read it carefully. There isn’t a bigoted word in it. But Mr Hague was knifed in the back by liberal Tories and the power-worshipping Murdoch Press, and knifed in the front by Labour, all of whom accused him of somehow playing dirty, ‘playing the race card’ or ‘playing the nationalist card’.

A plot to replace him was openly leaked, months before a General Election. Rather than fight to the last, Mr Hague regrettably crumpled in the face of this onslaught.

And so perished the last attempt by any mainstream party to address this huge and dangerous issue honestly, or indeed to confront the revolutionary intentions of New Labour.

A few weeks later, Mr Blair told the Tories to accept his revolution. They did. And the British people are left without a legitimate voice at Westminster. "

I am old enough to remember the F1 tobacco payoff and the Hinduja passports (within months of New Labour election). I knew they were a bunch of corrupt lying c*ts from that moment. Our country became extremely dysfunctional from then on. "It isn't happening, and there is something wrong with you for saying it is happening" It was extremely depressing watching UK vote for them again and again because they sounded 'caring conservative'.

easyandy101 · 18/12/2019 17:10

Thatcher didn't leave the country completely bankrupt.

Just a load of industries and the UKs much vaunted manufacturing and heavy industrial sector

But yeah was great if you were in services I'm sure

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 17:10

Why do you want to know?

Because you feel he changed the face of NI, I am wondering where you live in NI, that makes you feel like that.

Because lots of us dont.

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 18/12/2019 17:10

You may not like him but he is spot on and one of the most popular PMs in my life time.

donquixotedelamancha · 18/12/2019 17:11

And I believe it was George Osboune that sold off our gold in 2015.

Brown sold off a lot. It looked like a good idea at the time, but the price rocketed after the crash.

BlaueLagune · 18/12/2019 17:14

It's worth remembering that the Tories supported the action in Iraq.

I thought Blair was a prat for following Bush's coat-tails and getting involved. Would Major or Brown have got involved? Don't know. Cameron would. he wanted to get involved in Syria but HoC voted against except for limited air strikes. May, not sure. Johnson? Definitely.

Other than that he was a a pretty decent PM, if any high ranking politician can be described as pretty decent - it's all relative.

Alsohuman · 18/12/2019 17:15

*Because you feel he changed the face of NI, I am wondering where you live in NI, that makes you feel like that.

Because lots of us dont*

You’re not being bombed or searched every time you go shopping or kept out of no go areas any more. My ils all live in N Ireland, they’d disagree with you vehemently.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 17:15

It's more about the fact that Tony Blair wasnt honest leading up to gaining support for it.

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/12/2019 17:16

He's the only labour who has managed to actually win an election in decades. Maybe they should try listening to him since he has a clue about that?

No he's not momentum left - but that's why he was able to win a landslide and get stuff done.

LaurieMarlow · 18/12/2019 17:17

Because you feel he changed the face of NI, I am wondering where you live in NI, that makes you feel like that.

No longer living in the constant threat of violence has made a huge impact on me, but perhaps that isn’t a priority for you. Confused

Alsohuman · 18/12/2019 17:17

An honest politician is as common as rocking horse shit.

BigFatLiar · 18/12/2019 17:17

When Callaghan was PM he had intelligence that said the Argies were preparing to invade the Falklands, he set naval vessels down and let the Argentines know we were ready. When Mrs T was PM she had similar intelligence reports and ignored them as a confrontation would be in her interest.

Gordon Brown didn't cause the financial crisis the banks did. If he hadn't spent large amounts of public money on the banks after the crisis the bank system would have collapsed. The bankers promptly passed the blame and awarded themselves bonuses. Prior to the crash banks were making large profits based on false beliefs and if Brown had tried to do anything there would have been a public outcry to leave them alone as they were doing so well.

BlaueLagune · 18/12/2019 17:18

the people were told they were racist and bigoted for expressing their concerns

That was Brown. But it is true, and it had a direct effect on the Brexit vote.

If you shout people down as racists or whatever and don't bother to listen, you get the Brexit vote. There are real concerns about lack of housing and access to services and have been for years but if you mention immigration you're a bigot. It's not just EU immigration - rich foreigners from anywhere buying property in London increases prices and forces people out to other areas, which then say they need to build new houses. It is an issue that needs sorting out and it isn't racist to point it out.

Scarsthelot · 18/12/2019 17:19

You’re not being bombed or searched every time you go shopping or kept out of no go areas any more. My ils all live in N Ireland, they’d disagree with you vehemently.

Are we not? Gangs are rife. Creggan, Derry is rife with crime and violence. Theres definitely still no go areas.

What you mean is that some areas are better. Plenty arent. Its a different type of danger and shit.

LaurieMarlow · 18/12/2019 17:20

Come on now Scarsthelot, sectarian violence has been drastically reduced by the GFA, I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve by denying that.

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/12/2019 17:20

You have to have lived in Africa to be sensitive to corrupt lying political c*ntery! Most British people (at that stage) believed in the inherent goodness of politicians.

A speech from 2010. Prophetic.

Don't believe him?

Perhaps the headlines that Boris is going to sort out the civil service as one of the first things he does, might convince you otherwise. And the rearrangement of the HOL.

PS A very brave South African doctor wrote to the Telegraph, saying David Kelly was murdered. He got threatened and harassed EVEN IN JOHANNESBURG from that moment onwards.