To think that Turkeys Voted for Christmas?

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NC. This could appear goady but honestly it's a genuine confusion to me.

According to what we are led to believe by the media / some people on MN, "northerners" (as a generic group) voted for Conservatives because they are disadvantaged and fed up with the north south divide among other reasons.

How come disadvantaged Londoners voted Labour? I work in support sector and many people in my care will be in shelters this Christmas, and others rely on food banks. They were saddened and disheartened by Labour's loss and felt the Conservatives in no way represent them. This is on top of the Tory devised hostile environment and Windrush scandal making peoples' lives hell.

I understand that people are / have been pissed off and wanted to have their voices heard. But WHY would the very communities ravaged by the Tories in the 80's vote for them?

Why is it that Corbyn who lives in a very modest way, in Upper Holloway and who went to grammar school is seen as less acceptable than an old Etonian millionaire proven liar? How can Boris Jonson be seen as someone who can help the north south divide or to champion the working class FFS??

I completely accept Corbyn's leadership has been poor and don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan. BUT, given the alternative, I can't understand HOW working class people could vote for Johnson?

AIBU to think the turkeys just voted for Christmas?

But I am genuinely interested where @thefluffysideofgrey thinks the rich are getting their money to pay UK taxes. Does she think they are getting it from the UK poor? Please help me understand. That simply cannot be possible.

@expo

It certainly looks that way, doesn’t it?

@thefluffysideofgrey
I'm describing how he has acted and why. He sees himself as Caeser- whether it's Julius or Augustus remains to

Assuming that is supposed to end with "be seen" I'm fascinated to hear what that is supposed to mean. Maybe check on the names of Roman emperors first.

@thefluffysideofgrey if I can spell it out for you. The vast majority of taxes in the country (that pay for the public services and benefits etc) come from very rich people and businesses. A lot of that money is coming from the international markets. They are literally pulling money into this country. They would literally fuck off if alienated by a socialist government. The rest of the rich who stay will then have to pay higher taxes which would piss them off (they saw that and voted against it on Thurs).

You must not alienate the rich if you are to help the poor. It is basic economics. Socialist doesn’t work (unless it becomes a dictatorship like Venezuela) because of it.

All the thick turkeys realised this and voted against it.

woolie ok, yes, a bit rude. Sorry. However, until you understand that Tory voters want what's best for the country too, and didn't think it was Labour, you're going to keep running into people being "nasty".

So, basically what you're saying is that this country can not earn its own keep?

@dognamedspot

Julius technically wasn't an emperor

@thefluffysideofgrey that is the opposite of what I am saying. I am saying that this country can absolutely earn its keep. It does this by having international business and pulling it in from the outside. That is how it earns it keep.

Earning a country’s keep is not about circulating the same money internally. That is simply not possible. How can the poor possible find all the taxes the rich pay internally. It is coming in from the outside.

*Fund not find

I’m actually quite shocked at the lack of understanding of international economics and how some of these people have the balls to call others turkeys and thick. I am sure a lot of people who voted Tory didn’t get this and voted for personality reasons or brexit reasons but I am convinced enough people have a basic understanding of economics to realise that the Labour manifesto simply didn’t add up. Socialism doesn’t work.

Or should I say socialism bordering on communism doesn’t work.

@Expo

That's trade, which is essential.

However what is it exactly we are trading? Goods and services. Who produces those?

What you're otherwise describing is essentially economic colonialism in a very simplistic form. Which is only ever a short term solution.

All you seem to be seeing is who's name is on the bottom line. Not the several thousand other names who contributed.

And this is why this country will vacillate between centre left and centre right. All pretty similar. Boris will be move back centre right now the ERG are crushed (watch him get rid of the Rees-Moggs now - he doesn’t need them anymore). And why the only chance for the next Labour government is centre left - where Blair was.

@thefluffysideofgrey did you know that the main source of income to this country is from services and not trade?

@Expo

Might want to let most of Northern Europe know that their economic model doesn't work then. Despite their higher standard of living, it doesn't work!

I think labour got it wrong too. What we needed (and still need - from somewhere) is a Tony Blair equivalent but without the war. None of this - including the referendum itself - would have happened if the young TB had been in opposition.

@thefluffysideofgrey the UK doesn’t make most of its money from the goods the working classes produce. You know that right?

@Figmentofmyimagination you are bang on. Only way people will vote labour again for the reasons I say above.

Well according to you, it's from benevolent donations from the international jet set.

socialism doesn't work ,well neither does neoliberalism

What is probably needed is some balance. Subtlety.

Well I'm in the north and my city is mostly red, which I am happy about

@thefluffysideofgrey ok I give up. Benevolent donations from the international jet set? Are you doing this on purpose?

The people voted, again, it’s called Democracy

Good luck with trying to get another GE in the near future, somehow, I don’t think that will happen.

Until Labour admit that what they proposed was unaffordable and a leader the U.K. trusted, then Labour will be in the wilderness

With an 80 seat majority, things will happen as Boris has a mandate from the people to sort things out after 3 plus years of getting nowhere

The question is why did red seats turn blue?

Ignore the electorate at your peril, Labour did and paid the price 😎

@thefluffysideofgrey it’s from international monetary markets. Banking. And from other services the UK is good at like marketing and advertising amongst others. Do I need to spell it out?

@MIdgebabe I agree. And that is why I am praying Boris moves centre right now and ditches all those Jacob Rees Mogg he doesn’t need. Naturally I am centre left but until Labour get their act together we are stuck.