To think all conservative voters aren't thinking of others?

[TheGoogleMum]

I realise this doesn't convert anyone and at this point I'm not trying to. But I just don't think anyone who really cares for the welfare of others votes conservative. We know.chikd poverty is highest for 60 years, people are actually dying due to underfunding services (I can link to the research on this if needed). So conservative voters have prioritised brexit and their dislike for Jeremy Corbyn over actually helping others. Whatever way you look at it it wasn't the kind option. Realise I will get flamed for this but it's just how i feel. It's the cruel party and I'm ashamed to be British right now with how everyone voted. Also they had such a dodgy deceitful campaign and as it was rewarded I guess that's the future of politics now :/
I'm not sad labour didn't win, they were never going to. I'm sad at how much conservatives won by as the selfish option that's basically saying it's fine for everything to continue being awful for those struggling.

I didn't vote Tory. But do you know what, I wish I had. I thought Boris' speech to the North was respectful and intelligent.

And also:

If you’re looking for an echo chamber where everyone will reassure you that the election result was a hideous mistake driven by selfishness and greed, Twitter’s over there

This attitude and 'othering' is going to cost Labour another 10 years. Keep digging that giant hole that you lot are in.

The Tory's sold my parents a house.
Which they sold and bought another.
They down sized and it allowed them to have a better retirement than they would have.
One day that inheritance will be passed down to me, and my siblings.
I will never have what my parents did, but I hope my children benefit from the Uni Education now open to all.
Not the massive debt, the Labour Party would have handed them.

Child poverty is the highest level for 60 years where did you get that from ?

While I will not deny we have levels of poverty that just isn’t or shouldn’t be acceptable in such a wealthy nation its not like it was in the 60/70/80’s standards of living were lower

And really I know many good kind people they actually invest their own time in their community who are Tory voters not just invest their time lamenting about how people are suffering at their local party meetings and on line (which too many on the left prefer to do). If you worked in the charity sector at all you will be aware all those that give their time and effort are not just saintly left wingers

The Tories conserve the money and spend it well on public services and ensure the less well off are looked after
The tories have squandered billions on damaging the economy with Brexit. If you think the tories have spent well on public services and ensuring the less well off are looked after you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I didn't vote Conservative, but I very much doubt that anybody stood in the voting booth and thought to themselves "I really hate poor people, here's my chance to put myself first and stick it to them." The fact that the so-called 'Red Wall' collapsed and many people there voted Conservative for the first time shows that.

I think this election and the last one were Labours to lose. They didn't managed to make a convincing case that they would help poor people or the vulnerable. It seems many thought their promises to do so were unrealistic and based on hot air, and that Corbyn would threaten the economy and make poor people's lives even worse.

I think what a lot of the political pundits haven't taken in to consideration is that people in the North have long memories. They were promised a lot under New Labour, but were neglected again and New Labour became increasingly London centric in it's outlook over the years. Faith was gone really.

So I think that many Conservatives voters were thinking about what was good for the nation and for other people.

I find it hugely offensive that you think all Tory voters are selfish. I've listened to this divisive tripe on social media for weeks now and I'm sick of it.

You're not trying to convert anyone at this point? The fact that you think that you could have converted anyone at any point is just one of the many, many reasons Labour lost this election. So many labour supporters preaching on social media and MN telling anyone that disagrees with them that they are vile, horrible, uncaring people. I don't think it's uncaring not to want my country to go bankrupt.

Tories are certainly good at conserving the money of tax evaders. I'll grant you

I'm not a Tory voter, never have been and can't see myself being one in a million years.

BUT, no I don't think all Tory voters hate the disabled, want schools to be shit, think 'I'm okay, Jack* etc etc

I remember my mother voting Tory in the 1970s/1980s because she really believed that the Labour party wanted to stop people with any ambition, take all your money through taxes and rule with an authoritarian state. She also saw the Tory party as one which supported enterprise and hard work, that if people worked hard enough good things would come to them, wanted people to 'better themselves' and were good with the purse strings (Thatcher, natch).

I don't think history has proved her right, and she will no longer vote Conservative because of their cuts to local authorities and public services, but she's never voted based on not caring about other people.

I have never voted for the Tories and I can't imagine a time that I ever will. I also didn't vote for Labour for the first time in my voting life.

I work in the NHS. In mental health, so I get to see how the cuts are hurting people every day. I also rely on tax credits and have a disabled husband and two of my children have SN. My husband and two of my children are definitely vulnerable, some of the people that the Tories are apparently happy to throw under the bus.

I fully believe that the majority of Tory voters voted that way because they do care and believe that they are the best people to run the country.

The stereotype of Tories being heartless is lazy and old. Labour lost this election because of Corbyn, and his policies. I am angry at the Labour party who have failed us. I am not angry at the people who voted against them because even as a Labour supporter I couldn't vote for them this time. I do not believe life would have been any easier for us under Labour and I do not believe they could have saved the NHS (I don't think anyone can at this point).

I am also angry that so many Labour voters use vulnerable people as a stick to beat the Tories with. Come up with something new, instead of telling people the Tories don't care about us.

Rubbish, some of us are old enough to remember the hell of Labour governments in the 60s/'70s and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy and they weren't nearly as manic as the recent manifesto 'promises'.

I voted Labour but this needs to stop.

BJ won the election. You can't change that fact for the next few years. BJ a liar who shouldn't be trusted with looking after a Tamogotchi never mind the country, austerity is abysmal.... but the Tories were elected for all sorts of reasons.

Stop getting mad at people who vote different to you. Our country has never been more divided. The people who voted differently to you had their reasons and don't need to justify their reasons to you or me- especially if you goad them with names.

The Them/Us tactics that politicians whipped up from the referendum is despicable. They want us arguing with each other because it makes us easier to control and more likely to believe nastiness about people who vote differently (that they are uneducated/bleeding liberal or whatever)

BJ has repeated the divisive tactics successfully employed by Trump. Don't fall for it!

The GE was not a black and white choice. Labour has plenty wrong with them like their alliance with Momentum and the refusal of JC to stamp out anti semitism in the party.

And what would you say to the “poor, homeless and disabled” people who voted Tory, @Cheesemumma?

Serious question.

Oh bore off you supercilious knob. Yes, you’re right I didn’t consider the other 80 million people currently residing in the UK when I cast my vote. At the forefront of my mind was what was best for me and my family, as I’m sure it was for millions of others. If believing in free money and magical Unicorns makes you feel superior then crack on.

Lets hope you don't fall on hard times then SillyUn.. you'll be fucked under the Torys!

@Jellykat oh thank you so much darling! I honestly didn’t think to look into my crystal ball - how silly of me. Instead I looked at the very real and immediate threat of my husband not having a job if Labour won the election, as he works in an industry that Labour despise.

Most people who vote Labour are hugely selfish.

They do it because they think they'll get this free this and that.

It is mostly bollocks that they are only thinking of the poor-most of them, with a couple of exceptions, are thinking of what they will get out of it.

The day after the election, we had threads strated by various posters bewailing their own situation-asking what will they do now. Many of these people were looking for more free stuff one way or another.

Everyone votes for the party that suits them. There may be one or two exceptions to that but for the most part that is what people do.

Labour voters are not saints walking amongst us. They want the best for themselves, just like anyone and have no more moral high ground than the cat!

I'd ask them why the fuck they did that

So you’d patronise them and pretend that you know what’s best for them better than they do? Or try and pretend that you’re smarter?

How idiotic and rude.

@cheesemumma let me guess you live in a four bedroom townhouse in Islington and help out in soup kitchens (wearing your cashmere and pearls) to help the “oh so unfortunate ones”.

Damn right I care about my children’s’ future and that was to exercise my vote to ensure that it didn’t include Venezuelan style politics led by a totally incompetent government. If that makes me a selfish cunt then yep - I’m happy to own that.