To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

[Bearbehind]

The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

I thought Boris' speech was positive. The Labour Party seem utterly irrelevant now.

GCAcademic

The Tory party got 30% of the vote in 1997, less than Labour got yesterday. Hardly “over” is it?

Does it need to happen today? No I don't believe it does.

Why not? It’s the normal thing to do. It’s taking responsibility for what happened. It gives the party a chance to move on.

And it would give them a chance to properly reflect, not have to worry about him giving them death stares any time anyone brings up the leadership as an issue.

nah, it doesn't really matter imo. putting an elder statesperson in there as a caretaker wouldn't be a bad idea, sort of a clean break or something, but i don't think it's the biggest of deal, they've got a long time to decide next steps.

@GCAcademic spot on. And the only thing now is for those that care to form a new party and let Labour drift off into oblivion

Do you really not stop and think to yourself that if more people favoured that ‘arsehole’ then maybe my messiah isn’t all that?

No, it makes me absolutely convinced that there is some very nasty dealings going on behind the scenes in the UK. Which is far more worrying to me than anything shitty Conservative win.

I have met him.
I think he is an arrogant shit.

And I am a Labour voter.

Him and Boris too.

They get by on arrogance. Boris, caught lying to the Queen, lost every vote in parliament, publicly shamed as a deadbeat Dad, toughing it all out just fuels his hubris.

Vile. Both of them.

I voted that you're not being unreasonable, but I do disagree. There is no point in him just walking away right now. It achieves nothing except further disruption in a destroyed party. I am absolutely furious with them right now, if I'd known how bad the activists were finding it on the doorsteps, if they'd been honest about just how bad it actually was, I would have felt a lot differently about the whole direction of the party. I think Corbyn and his advisors should have taken that information in and, for the good of the party, made different decisions about who was going to lead us into this election. I thought I was doing well in trying to get balanced information, but I was very wrong. Lesson learned - social media only shows you what you want to see. My time now is being spent looking for genuinely independent blogs etc so I am better informed.

Hilarious that he's always the first one to shout for people to step down or resign .

A hung parliament would have achieved fuck all, we’ve already been there

The only thing that could have got rid of the Tories was a decent opposition.

Many chose to be apathetic at best and at worst supportive of the shower of shite you were given as opposition

Now you have 5 years of the Tories as your reward.

He should've resigned today.

Imo Momentum are a cult. They're blind and deaf to what people really think about Jeremy Corbyn. Time and time again people have said they'd not vote for Labour with him in charge but he, and they, were far too arrogant to listen. I really don't want a Tory Govt and I don't believe we would be in this position if Jeremy Corbyn had stepped down 2 or 3 years ago

@churchandstate

Who said anything about lying? What was needed was a different set of policies and a different approach to the electorate.

The first step is to find someone to unify, not divide. For all his talk of mind politics Corbyn could not see far enough out of his own bubble to see what they people really wanted. And it cost him badly.

Because he doesn’t really care what people want. He thinks he knows better what they should want. His mistake.

He can’t unify his party, let alone a country. People saw that. A good leader can take diverse groups and form a whole. He failed to do that. He is the leader. It is his job to lead the ENTIRE party, not just his particular group. And he failed to do that.

The message you and other Corbyn supporters are sending out is naive and childish in the extreme: it’s not our fault because X,Y and Z. Just like a teenager who can’t take responsibility.

I would have a lot more respect of people could admit they fucked up.

Who said anything about lying? What was needed was a different set of policies and a different approach to the electorate.

The policies he put forward are the policies he believes in and he thinks would create a fairer society. To have the courage to produce a manifesto that actually reflects your beliefs is a strength, not a weakness. I am not “making excuses”; I don’t believe he did anything that needs to be excused. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Hours of endless entertainment on here tonight 🤣

Yes but you missed the “if”. I don’t think JC did anything but present the policies he has spent a lifetime supporting. If people didn’t like them, or him, so what?

so what? so what? well it's plain as day. You don't get into power, you don't get to implement even the slightest change at all.
You keep Labour out of being influential at all. You lose the election completely.

But that's ok with you, because JC amazing and you agree with him and that's all that matters.

I would think that all that mattered would be appeal to the voters, so you could actually be the person with their hand on the button to make changes happen.

if you're not in power you can't change a thing.

Do you really not stop and think to yourself that if more people favoured that ‘arsehole’ then maybe my messiah isn’t all that?

I blame the gutter press more than Corbyn. He isn't that charismatic but Johnson won because the media moguls had a vested interest in that happening.

No YANBU. He is. Watch him drag this out.

I don’t believe he did anything that needs to be excused

MoobaaMoobaa

It’s not okay with me at all. I wish more people agreed with JC. But I don’t blame him for the fact that they don’t.

I haven't read the 'gutter press' for about 35 years and I can't stand Corbyn

The policies he put forward are the policies he believes in and he thinks would create a fairer society. To have the courage to produce a manifesto that actually reflects your beliefs is a strength, not a weakness. I am not “making excuses”; I don’t believe he did anything that needs to be excused.

A person can believe in unicorns, rainbows or whatever they like - it doesn’t make it possible

Corbyn proposed giving money away to everyone with no thought for where it came from or how it was sustainable.

People with even a modicum of sense realised that wasn’t a stable or viable proposal

Trewser

Well, I don’t. He has been honest, dignified and courageous. If people don’t like his policies or him personally, that’s democracy. They are entitled to vote for someone else.

Bearbehind

I disagree with you. We are both entitled to our views.

@churchandstate

Yes, and the electorate have told him that it wasn’t what they wanted. Time for someone else to have a go.

That would be fair, right?

Kind of like all the criticism May got for putting the same deal back to Parliament again and again. Corbyn has his crack at it, twice, and failed. What he is offering is not what the country wants.

It is stubborn and damaging in the extreme to continue down this path.

Last point, you may not like my view point but you’ll NEVER win without me. Maybe it’s time to listen to someone else.

TBH I sort of wish he would of got in to see how he could of deliver what he promised with our bankcrupting the country .
He fill people with false promises and lied ( not the only one TBF )
For example the only way to renationalise BT and give free broad band is to leave the EU as it break european laws . But he refused to commit to leaving EU so could not deliver this this is just 1 example of people pleasing .