To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

[Bearbehind]

The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

Obviously, they don't.

Don't you think it's a bit flip to say the North has forgotten the pit closures etc.?

People in the Labour heartlands didn't consider voting for the Tories the lesser of two evils for no reason, and no amount of pretending they did, will make it so.

Not sure what you mean by - No, but it's certainly part of the democratic process in parliament. Can you expand? I don't recall a formal parliamentary process enacted to unseat him. Have I missed something?

I mean, I didn’t vote Labour not because of what the presssaidhe did, but because of what heactuallydid.

This is the thing - people say "propaganda", but he is one of the few politicians where it was actually quite difficult to pick out things pithy enough that people would stay interested from his history, there was so much of it that was so bad.

He probably actually benefited from the fact that any journalist who wanted to write a hit piece would quickly find themselves swamped, having to leave things out.

Thoroughly unsuitable man. If Alistair Campbell had been looking for someone so bad the Blairites started looking ok by comparison, he couldn't have found someone better.

This appeared after the Copeland defeat , which in itself was a historic defeat for the Labour party, but still holds true.

Why don’t people just accept he failed. Big time. As any right minded person could have predicted. What a joke.

Concentrating only on working class north will do little for the working class elsewhere or the middle classes they need to retain.

Yeah there has definitely been far too much concentrating on the Northern working class going on, as evidenced by the Labour Party being a giant smoking crater.

Same goes for Wales, the Midlands and so on. What Labour must do now is take a step back and really try their best to stop concentrating so hard on keeping the old Labour core vote, which clearly doesn't matter any more.

@astralweaks

So there were ten million people in the UK who were not of sound mind then?

So there were ten million people in the UK who were not of sound mind then?

Not necessarily. Who you vote for and who you are sure will win are not necessarily the same party/person to anyone sane.

Just like who you vote for and who will give you the most money are not necessarily the same party/person for anyone with political principles.

The core do matter. But the core is more than just the North

My point is, it's time to worry about just the North when you can even manage just the North.

The same goes for the other Labour strongholds. Nobody can say "just" about things they can even, and Labour can't even keep their century long constituencies with the current level of concentration on them.

Nobody can say "just" about things they can't even.

It barely made sense as a sentence in the first place, types just make it worse :)

Corbyn has achieved nothing apart from make the Labour Party unelectable

That’s his legacy and that unfortunately may continue until people see sense

@CharlottesPleb

Labour has won by a strong majority in several of the areas around where I am. They also secured a ten million against three million portion of those who voted Labour/Tory. There are plenty of people who believe in Corbyn and believe in the Labour party. They have nothing to be ashamed of. I'm proud to support them and so are many, many, many others.

There is one thing being proud to support labour/Corbyn

But you can also now see he has failed and under him Labour have been rejected

So time to step aside

I don't have any bloodthirsty desires to throw Corbyn under the bus. I don't particularly want to see some kind of repetition of the Cameron/May/Johnson drama in the Labour party.

Labour has a problem yes. But Corbyn is the pinnacle of that.

I think Corbyn is a ...totally wretched man in many ways, but I wouldn't hold him entirely to blame for Labour's problems. Yes the focal point at the moment, but there is this whole parabola of poor and even downright malicious Labour Party decisions behind him that add up, frankly, to huge numbers of people who would traditionally have voted for them having something in their mind, come election day, that made them falter away from that Labour party candidate, even into the waiting jaws of the Tory party.

Yes it's Jeremy, the company he has kept, and momentum, and his policies...
...but it's also a thousand things that are, to be fair, not the fault of Jeremy Corbyn.

This is why I find it particularly weird that Blair is sticking beak in now. He helped lay the foundations of this however much he pretends he didn't.

Labour has won by a strong majority in several of the areas around where I am. They also secured a ten million against three million portion of those who voted Labour/Tory. There are plenty of people who believe in Corbyn and believe in the Labour party. They have nothing to be ashamed of. I'm proud to support them and so are many, many, many others.
I am very happy for Corbyn supporters to see this result as a species of victory, and to feel proud of themselves.

Congratulations.

John Smith

I'm not a Labour voter at this point, but that name suggests we may be on the same page on some things.

@CharlottesPleb

Yes, I do feel incredibly proud of the city I live in. I know I'm surrounded by people who voted for a decent government. That's a really lovely feeling, even if Labour didn’t get in this time.