To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

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The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

OK - you didn't vote Tory but you seen to be saying if you were a traditional labour voter who felt they had to vote Tory that they would be hurting too. All I am saying is that voters such as these should not really be hurting if the party they voted for won. It would be strange if they were hurting in that scenario..

Noble - was that (no confidence) part of the democratic process of the Labour party? I don't think that is part of the constitution.

Amazing. Tony Blair has the front to bang on about far left and the Labour Party. The amount of support and votes the tories got from the far right is vile.

Blair was a Labour PM. Don’t you recall?

Yes, I recall. But by your metric, the Conservatives have the EXACT SAME issue in their own government.

fewer skeletons in their closet.

Compared to Boris Johnson?? Are you having a giraffe as well as being one?

Boris Johnson would not have been standing as next leader of the Labour Party, which is what we are discussing.

Fewer skeletons in their closet than Jeremy Corbyn. More competent than Jeremy Corbyn. I thought that was obvious.

All I am saying is that voters such as these should not really be hurting if the party they voted for won. It would be strange if they were hurting in that scenario..

Why would it be strange to be hurting after choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea? Are you new to two party politics?

*Boris Johnson would not have been standing as next leader of the Labour Party, which is what we are discussing.

Fewer skeletons in their closet than Jeremy Corbyn. More competent than Jeremy Corbyn. I thought that was obvious.*

So Boris Johnson has more skeletons in his closet than Jeremy Corbyn. But yet the voting public appeared to have no scruples about voting for a man overrun with skeleton cupboards. So I don't especially see why that's what draws you to the conclusion that fewer skeletons equals votes.

More familiar with PR to be fair but there is always a choice to not vote so not quite the binary choice you suggest.

How does 'fewer' become 'more'?

Someone who has showed to side with those that have wanted to bring down our democracy will never ever be voted PM

And neither should they be. It’s shameful he was leader of the Labour Party

How does 'fewer' become 'more'?

No, you're right. Most of Boris Skeletons are out of the closet and trailing behind him like a conga of the dead.

Blue I hope that you are ok.

I hope that you are ok

I'm perfectly fine. Thanks for asking!

But he will be. The candidates to replace him are currently stepping forward for a leadership contest.

And what a selection of fine human beings they are.

It will avail the treacherous Labour Party nought: The North Remembers.

But yet the voting public appeared to have no scruples about voting for a man overrun with skeleton cupboards.

The Tory voting public didn’t. But Labour lost votes from different groups of people - those who wanted Brexit enough to overlook Johnson, and those who didn’t want Brexit but couldn’t overlook Corbyn. Polling shows he was a massive issue for those people.

Would they have been able to vote Labour under a different leader? Possibly, if that different leader had exhibited more competence (so people believed they’d be able to deliver their manifesto) and didn’t have a dubious history.

was that (no confidence) part of the democratic process of the Labour party?

No, but it's certainly part of the democratic process in parliament

If you honestly feel that a political party can afford to behave in a vacuum while ignoring this by all means say so ... but I'd caution against any belief that they might ever be electable

Still think too much emphasis on the leader of any party. I would hope that BJ has people around him (ministers etc...) that influence and shape things to come. We need inclusive leadership with diversity of thought and not this strong man approach to leadership with narrow viewpoints.

And wasn't the victim of huge swathes of propaganda in the press.

We're going over the same thing now.

The North remembers what? Thatcher? I think not

Yeah, the North remembers Thatcher.

Yet people still knew it was right to vote against Labour with that, and generations of Labour voting loved ones in mind.

People might belittle the struggle that involved for many, the almost physical pain, but you cannot ignore the fact that nevertheless, the greater evil was the Labour Party.

He was elected by the membership & until they tell him to go he still has their backing. The leadership vote won't be for at least a month, he has said he won't be standing but will leave as leader when the new leader is elected. Don't forget Labour has one of the highest memberships & it needs ballot papers & stuff sending out.

Yeah, the North remembers Thatcher

Obviously, they don't.

And wasn't the victim of huge swathes of propaganda in the press.

But he gave the press so much to work with.

I mean, I didn’t vote Labour not because of what the press said he did, but because of what he actually did.