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To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

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Bearbehind · 13/12/2019 19:19

The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

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Aragog · 14/12/2019 09:31

YouGov results from yesterday's 'daily questions'

Most people asked believed that it was a Labour loss more than a Tory win, and most people believe JC should be leaving immediately.

You can then break down the results into political parties, gender, social background, etc.

To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned
To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned
To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned
Trewser · 14/12/2019 09:33

@Cloudyyy i thought he was very appealing!

Jillyhilly · 14/12/2019 09:41

Kinnock was very good, the best I’ve seen of Labour in a long time. Real leadership potential I thought.

Momentum no doubt hate him.

Jillyhilly · 14/12/2019 09:46

Kinnock gets it, doesn’t he. The point about Labour needs to stop blaming the media, likening it to blaming the referee. He sees how far the party has drifted from its base. Impressive.

ElsieMc · 14/12/2019 09:47

I turned on TV to hear Piers Morgan state that JC had resigned. Immediately I read the strap line about what JC said actually and it was that he would not lead the party into the next election. Two very different things.

JC wants to stay on, not for a period of stability as such, but to ensure that he has maximum say and direction in the choice of new leader alongside John McDonnell.
By the way, McDonnell gave a contrite interview when the Poll appeared just after 10 pm. He really believes in himself, doesn't he. He was within an hour trying to dictate that the new leader would be a woman. I reckon he wants Rebecca Long Bailey. She speaks well, but I don't always get what she is saying when she finally gets to the end of it. Succinct is the way forward.

The problem here is that it is all much of the same isnt it? A cult which had been broadly rejected by the UK outside of London and Momentum.

What an interview with Alan Johnson and Jon of Momentum. Interview of the year. AJ just said it like it is and the looks on the faces of Ed Balls and George Osborne were a picture. Best moment alongside the unrepentant Nicola Sturgeon's football style celebrations caught on camera.

We desperately need a good and forceful opposition, it is vital when one party has a large majority. Sadly I cannot see Labour getting free from the clutches of Momentum so easily. I find them frightening in their hatred and intensity and possible suggested leaders are sadly much of the same. All moderates are gone from the shadow cabinet.I think it will be a long time before Labour can re-group.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 14/12/2019 10:13

*I guess if you’re 100% attached to your ideas and people reject those ideas,
then the only explanation is that there’s something wrong with the people. *

Sorry to be flippant, but there's pills for that.

Grin
achainisonlyasstrong · 14/12/2019 10:24

I like JC and think he is an honourable man. But he should have handled antisemitism in the party a lot better. People thought his policies lacked economic credibility. There needs to be a Labour party leader who is electable! So appeals to a broad church. The hatred directed towards Tony Blair and Gordon Brown is just simply misplaced and misguided. The fact is they did a lot for the less well off in society (increasing benefits, increasing funding schools, hospitals/Sure start). Of course they made mistakes - Iraq war !!!/PFI. But they won three elections!!!! Problem is Corbyn and Momentum are more interested in leading the Labour Party than leading the country! Also their message of let's just help those who are deprived is too simplistic (though it is an important one!). UK is a rich country. Most people are not deprived or poor in the UK. I think the hard left need to compromise in the Labour party and get behind someone who's more to the centre left to actually get a chance for their policies to be implemented!

cardibach · 14/12/2019 14:30

I’m not a big fan of Kinnock. However, it’ll be a party vote and if that’s what’s chosen...
However, the second he was leader attacks relating to his dad, to his connection with Europe, to anything but the fact that the manifesto would be advantageous to most people, would begin. Whoever is labour leader will have the same problem.
Remember also that Corbyn and McDonnell don’t have any control over the selection of a new leader. We do things democratically. Yes, I’d listen if a party member I respected endorsed someone, but I’d still look at what the candidates actually said and their record.

Shockers · 14/12/2019 15:26

Thank you @berryfull- page 1.

TheBlueStocking · 14/12/2019 15:41

Well, at least we can all take comfort from the fact that no one in history has ever lived to regret electing someone.

Naughty Corbyn trying to be liked by the British public. We see through you! We want the wild haired fridge man!

NameChangeNugget · 14/12/2019 15:43

I think he should stay on Grin

LucaFritz · 14/12/2019 18:36

Its not fake news and that's a weak comeback if all you can think say Hmm re watch the election results and you'll see the part about an hour in when he says those exact words. If you've ever been a canvasser you'd know that 11,000 is an easy amount to reach when your door knocking all day for weeks on end and it would make sense the canvassers kept tally of why people didn't want to vote Labour so they'd have some feedback on where it was going wrong and all fingers are pointing at Corbyn not the party or its policies.

Whattodoabout · 14/12/2019 18:38

Christ, he can’t do right for doing wrong with some people. He has effectively resigned, he’s just waiting until they decide a successor so he isn’t leaving the party without a leader. More than can be said for chicken Cameron.

Aryaneedle · 14/12/2019 18:59

People still obsessing over JC and the LP. It's so weird.

Shouldn't you all be focussing on your leader and how good that it is that he's in for another 5 years? This is why I don't trust the Tories or their supporters. No spine. Always focussing on the big bad 'others' instead of being positive and celebrating themselves. You just won! If you were confident that was right why are you focussing on the losing side? Most untrustworthy set of people I've ever seen in my 40 years.

PhilSwagielka · 14/12/2019 19:03

@CendrillonSings It's hilarious for you but it's not remotely funny for left-wing Jews who've been stuck between a rock and a hard place this election.

CendrillonSings · 14/12/2019 19:24

It's hilarious for you but it's not remotely funny for left-wing Jews who've been stuck between a rock and a hard place this election.

I feel sorry if that was the dilemma you faced, but I honestly feel the Tories have done Labour a service by crushing Momentum. The antisemitism would have taken such deep root that it might have become impossible to expel it - whether that actually happens now will of course depend on the next leader.

PencilsInSpace · 14/12/2019 19:54

he’s just waiting until they decide a successor so he isn’t leaving the party without a leader.

Has he actually said this? All I have read is that he does not intend to stand in the next election, which is what? Five years away?

Trewser · 14/12/2019 19:58

People still obsessing over JC and the LP. It's so weird

Yeah, because the election happened like, 48 hours ago, right?

TheBlueStocking · 14/12/2019 20:09

@LucaFritz

It's quite clearly bullshit. He knocked on 11,000 doors, they were ALL in and they ALL said they hated Corbyn?

Bless you.

TheBlueStocking · 14/12/2019 20:16

And yes, I have been canvassing for this election. Not that I would need to have been to work out that's absolute rubbish.

PencilsInSpace · 14/12/2019 20:34

Aryaneedle, what makes you think that all the people calling for Corbyn to go asap are tories? Most tories don't care except for finding it funny.

Boris is not my leader. It's utterly shit that he is in for a further 5 years. Labour are not the big bad 'others', until very recently they were my party. I didn't win, I didn't vote tory. I am devastated but not at all surprised by this result.

Despite feeling thoroughly alienated by labour under momentum I am focussing on the losing side because we need a strong opposition, especially in the next few years. Also I am kind of hoping there is a party I can vote for when the next election rolls around. There wasn't on Thursday so I spoiled my vote. That's how bad labour have become. I couldn't even hold my nose and put an x next to my labour candidate as the least worst option.

I'm with Alan Johnson - I want the momentum cult gone. I want a non-batshit, electable labour party.

What is really 'so weird' is that in the face of such devastating defeat, so many on the left are blaming the working class for being the wrong sort of electorate rather than taking a proper grown up look at themselves.

GCAcademic · 14/12/2019 20:52

What is really 'so weird' is that in the face of such devastating defeat, so many on the left are blaming the working class for being the wrong sort of electorate rather than taking a proper grown up look at themselves.

^This. There’s something really quite grotesque about seeing so many Labour Party members and supporters expressing a view that working class people are too racist, ignorant, or somehow not decent enough to vote for them. There is no self-awareness whatsoever.

TheBlueStocking · 14/12/2019 21:06

There's also no awareness of the effect that reading page after page of right wing bilge every day has on the voting public. Look at the difference in Liverpool where The Sun is verboten.

GCAcademic · 14/12/2019 21:10

Well, unfortunately, the media isn’t going anywhere, and neither is the electorate. Labour needs to find a way to manage with both, as Tony Blair did.

RaiseaGlasstoFreedom · 14/12/2019 21:13

There's also no awareness that the majority is actually well informed and doesn't get spoon fed by the media.

Child poverty increased under Blair, and a wholesale section of society actually collapsed.

We are still reaping that today.

It was only brown at the very end with tax credits salving some of the situation....
Hospitals were run down, schools shite... It was awful under Blair