To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

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The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

Oh, and Russian interference. Happy to be told that any suggestion of that was just some sort of Momentum nonsense and not a distinct possibility as the Tories were withholding some sort of report?

Is that the Russian interference that was about the so called selling of the NHS to America that has been proven to be leaked by Russian bots to Reddit and picked up by labour, or are we talking about how Milne and Corbyn being Russian apologists that wanted us to send Salsbury data to Russia first?

I suspect you are only focusing on the tory suppressed report though and pretend Russia really wanted someone who is pro Nato in power. Its that simplistic! Russia made labour lose! unironic reds under the bed...

I'm a coal miner's daughter. I've voted Labour every single time - not this time. I'm who Boris spoke to in his speech this morning about my cross hovering over the ballot paper and my dad and grandad's disgust whispering in my ear when I put my cross on the Conservative MP.

I live in Northumberland - we were always LD but last election Conservatives got in and what she has done for my small town is huge - invested huge amounts into our local economy and has actually stood by her pledges - our town is thriving.

I'm still Labour in my heart - I could not vote for a leader who is so egotistical he's STILL ignoring what the people are clearly telling him - your mad policies (BB for all? banning private schools (way to go putting more demand on state schools, and not apologising for absolute disgusting way some Jewish MP's were bullied out of the party to mention a few) and the absolute lie that the NHS is up for sale. It's not. Any party who would promote that would be committing political suicide. The NHS is not under threat.

He absolutely needs to go immediately - only then can we have any hope of getting a credible leader of the labour party, not someone who JC has moulded into a version of his and mementos ideal.

Apologies for spelling mistakes

Nice to think that Corbyn is toast now. Pity the Acolytes didn't figure that out ages ago isn't it?

Will not vote Labour anymore if Momentum is in charge either, Ugh.

Momentum is like ERG to me.

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Thanks for clarifying about the NHS. I'm glad it's in safe hands now, just as it has been for the past 9 years.

lurker OK - I stand corrected. No Russian interference.

But I don't see how pointing out that Brexit is a Tory fuck-up and is owned by the Tories alone (and now will be delivered by Tories alone) is a three year old argument?

You ignoring that Blair promised an EU referendum for all of his elections and the ignore the Brown calling out a bigot in labour heartlands as just being a right wing tory issue shows that you are choosing a point in history to frame your argument.

You cannot in all good faith blame JC for Brexit. He has spent three years trying to be measured about it because of Labour leavers who turned out in force for the Tory party last night.

He has spent the last 3 years fence sitting because the unfortunate situation was that he is a life long eurosceptic and the labour heartlands voted for brexit, balancing that with the metropolitan labour remainers who thought they could guarantee on the vote block and bit them on the arse, suddenly after decades of voting labour they are thick and undecated turkeys voting for christmas.

So Brexit is the fault of the Tory party and every single Tory voter. That is not a three year old argument.

Again with the ignorance, I will put money on you wanting PR system. You still trying to treat this as simplistic labour v con issue is why labour are suffering an historic defeat.

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable. I think the same thing- up to Corbyn’s leadership I was labour 100% but the absolute relentless equivocation over Brexit is unforgivable and the manifesto out of touch with the electorate. The Labour Party should have perceived the disconnect after the last GE - it should have been a walk in the park for any opposition to succeed against such a weak government. They failed. In the face of a lying, corrupt, morally bankrupt PM and ineffectual government they failed. Brexit is as much the fault of the utterly inept opposition Labour Party as it is the fault of the Tories. Notwithstanding Brexit they have also stood by and failed to act as the Tories enacted wholesale austerity, welfare cuts, NHS cuts, education cuts, police cuts etc. They did NOTHING to prevent harm to the poorest in our society and that is unforgivable.

Again with the ignorance, I will put money on you wanting PR system. You still trying to treat this as simplistic labour v con issue is why labour are suffering an historic defeat
I actually don't know what the shit you are talking about. What ignorance?
I'm telling you that Tory voters have to own Brexit - what is ignorant about that? And put your money where your mouth is because I really do not fancy a PR system - I actually prefer the local representation of FPTP.
So just do one with your bizarre assumptions.
And take responsibility for your tory vote when this country and every single working class tory has been shat on by your favourite adulterer and his backers.

What’s really striking here is the determination of Tory voters to take the shit storm they know brexit will be, which was set in train by a Tory government, negotiated by a Tory government and will now be delivered by a Tory government and somehow make it Labour’s fault.

If Not true labour Blair and brown stood up to their principals and stuck to their manifesto then we would have had a referendum earlier.

I blame the uneducated simpletons who have voted labour for decades that corrolate with the leave vote. It's labour supporters that are the problem. Hence why a life long eurosceptic came to be leader.

Maybe they should stop reading the red tops that is the mirror and russian owned Independant.

Am I doing this right, or we still in denial and pretending its just a right leaning issue,I thought we would have moved on from the 5 stages and got passed the denial stage after yesterday.

So any British person who cares about our democracy and having an effective opposition party, and values the great history and legacy of the Labour Party (even if they didn’t vote for them this time or indeed at any time) should now join the Labour Party and get ready to vote against the Momentum candidate at the next leadership election?

Actually to be fair it wasnt the long term card carrying labour members that got Corbyn elected.

They openly welcomed the entryism in some kind of youthquake scenario though.

You cannot brush this off as another not true labour scenario. Self reflection is needed, it won't happen but it is needed.

Some supporters are going full on with the revisionism rhetoric.

I don't trust Boris at all. Especially with the NHS. I voted labour despite Corbyn. Not for him. I voted for my amazing labour non Corbynite MP. And I'm a pretty well politically educated person that knew he had no chance of a majority.

So you enjoy being in a safe seat and silently enjoy the benefits then. No self reflection as to why the red wall has been brokem, just that you think you have voted the correct way. You are showing how politicaly educated you are with that post, it's just a shame you don't get some kind of fake internet points for it.

I think the way he’s been portrayed by the British press is absolutely disgraceful. I had thought that people had more common sense & could see the dire performance of the Tories over the last 9 years but sadly as the election result has shown that’s not the case. I think he has integrity something that’s lost on this shambolic government & sadly the British public.

I actually don't know what point you are making. Happy to point you to the research on the membership if it helps your thinking

Of course you don't, it requires nuance of thinking that highlights you pretending brexit was just a simple con issue shows your bias, the fact you had to reply with not being a corbyn supporter just highlights you did understand what point i was making and didn't want to get into the murlky grey area.

It's not me trying to broadbrush the eu ref

Tbh they lost the last time me too. Should have stood down then

Hopefully we can move to Scotland. Enjoy the brain drain. oh my god

So now it is the presses fault?

Did they force him to stand at the grave if terrorists with a wreath in his hands? Did they force him to invite hamas to tea at Westminster? Did they force him to accept £20k off of Iranian state television and then praise them for theirTolerance and acceptance of other faiths, traditions and ethnic groupings in Iran.”

I could go on but you get the general point I am making.

I support him and his loss at the ballots is a testimony to how as a society we have regressed in morals in all honesty and not any testimony to him being bad because his actions have proven him to be a decent man

Ian levy the new Tory mp for Blyth valley is a nhs worker in mental health. Hardly a man who I would say lacked morals and honesty. He won the seat after campaigning on local issues on mainly rail and roads to the valley.