To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

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The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

We live in a right wing country.

Anyone who seriously believes this, lives in some weird echo chamber and has no understanding of right, left wing political ideology or the fact it is out of date in a globalised world.

Unfortunately them's the breaks and yes, I have to accept that. But no, I feel not one iota of personal responsibility.

You should maybe look at self reflection as to why your opposition gained a landslide like they did under thatcher, if you still want to write it off as turkeys voting for christmas, uneducated etc, then it is you who are not as intelligent as you think you are.

churchandstate

MoobaaMoobaa

I think the manifesto was quite popular. Ten million people voted for them. If people didn’t vote for Corbyn because they think he’s an anti-Semite, or because of Brexit, or because they just don’t like his face, that is what it is, but the policies themselves have a lot of popular support

you are still not listening.

great 10 million liked the manifesto.
Now tell me how many people you need to like it, to win a majority.

The manifesto was offering too much too quickly, and most people could see it was pie in the sky wishful thinking.

I too could imagine how amazing it would be to live in such a place with all this amazing stuff.

But I am also realistic, Rome wasn't built in a day.

I don't get the hate myself...for Rees Mogg i totally get it.

MoobaaMoobaa

You’re the one not listening. I’ve told you what I believe is important. You have told me what you believe is important. That doesn’t mean I can’t hear you. We just disagree.

I would not be over invested in any Party now.

But the fact that Corbyn is waiting to oversee his successor is a bit meh and a tad narcissistic too IMV. But Momentum rules I suppose.

There's no way Corbyn alone is to blame for the current political climate in the UK

No, not alone, but given that he is to blame for being the leader of the party that massively fucked up yesterday, he should tender his immediate resignation.

I didn’t mind a lot of the policies. The issue was doing them all at once was just fantasyland as was the costings. Speaking to my parents and in-laws, they had a real fear of a rerun of the 70s. One set have consistently voted labour and went Tory because of their hatred of Corbyn (despite not liking Boris). The other set again hated Corbyn and swallowed the ‘get Brexit done message’.

It would have been interesting to see resulted broken down my age. I also think labour and Lib Dems could have had more electoral pacts but were too bloody minded not to make way for each other.

churchandstate

is it important to win an election to get into power to then make the changes you want?

yes or no?

And another thing (getting into this now!) i feel it is far far more honourable to continue to stand as a leader of a party, whilst awaiting the proper process of voting in a new leader.
AS a previous poster said, David Cameron just upped and left the shit storm that was the advisory referendum (Vote for or against the EU even though the EXACT details and massive and complicated implications of this vote can't easily be resolved and haven't been thrashed out leaving an expensive and political void) whilst JC is standing by awaiting the process of a new leadership election.
But people don't seem to care about honourable these days.

I saw this on the TV, son of a miner being interviewed:

“I can’t vote Tory because I am the son of a miner and I can’t vote labour because of Jeremy Corbyn. So I didn’t vote”

JC made labour unelectable. He should go immediately. Well actually he should have gone when he had all those letters from his own MPs!

David Cameron was a proper little worm slithering off after that, I agree.

*is it important to win an election to get into power to then make the changes you want?

yes or no?*

No, you shouldn't arse around promising one thing and then delivering another.

berryfull

The amount of abuse he’s endured with such amazing good grace and never resorted to insults back.

Also

You’re all fucking nut jobs

Labour's problem right now is that the people they reckon they represent - the working class - do not want labour to represent them.

Some people seem to think it's the electorate who should resign

Corbyn and momentum have utterly failed. Corbyn should resign immediately and a really boring unopinionated caretaker leader should be brought in until a fair leadership election can be held. I don't know enough about the inner workings of the party to understand the relationship between momentum and the party but to lots of ordinary voters it looks dodgy as fuck so if it's possible to curb momentum's power that should be done asap. Otherwise labour are a lost cause.

Then we'll see if Labour can start doing its job again, instead of being some sort of grand E&D student project.

David Cameron was a prime minister who just lost a referendum, not a party leader whose own party was devastated in a General Election which polling shows was in large part due to issues with his leadership.

The two are not comparable. Jo Swinson resigned immediately. So did Ed Miliband. Fuck knows why hanging onto power for dear life is being flaunted as ‘honourable’.

Brexit is happening on 31st Jan. Is it really in the best interests of the country for Johnson to be facing the man he just humiliated at PMQ each week?

And common sense will tell you that the reasons for that cannot simply be didn't fancy Corbyn much. It's a hugely complicated issue. There's no way Corbyn alone is to blame for the current political climate in the UK. It's just not feasible.

You are right, it isn't just corbyn it was his 70's socalist policies that also contributed, and the past 3 years of labour activists calling everyone who didn't worship JC as racist/rich/wishes death on the poor/im all right jack/easily led by right wing msm/smears/turkeys voting for christmas (delete as appropriate)

Corbin will never go. He didn't in the past when his party had no confidence in him and he won't go now. He is clueless.

TheBlueStocking

nobody said promise one thing then deliver another.

why so extreme?

have you not thought of watering something down to appeal, then once you are in a position to start making things better as you promised to, then build from there?

rather than being thrown out on your arse.

I'm also not sure of why people earning over £80k feel that they are poor (man on Newsnight I'm talking to you) and can't part with an extra £20 a month for better public services.
Weird.
As i said, twilight zone.
Or was the fully costed Labour manifesto torn to shreds by the billionaires who run the newspapers?

This is fab though:

churchandstate - don’t punch down

Why people didn’t vote Labour. Main issue: the leadership.

Cameron was not a worm slithering off after the referendum. He specifically asked people to vote remain. They didn’t so he resigned. Fair enough.

Cameron was a little coward.

@noblegiraffe totally agree with you. I was a holding my nose labour voter. I’m a centrist labour voter, and Corbyn and his cronies do nothing for me, but my own labour MP is decent, remain, and i realised we need solid labour MPs on benches too, to dilute the antisemitic, Marxist nonsense.

With BJ in power, we need strong central opposition, not bloody student politics.

And the broadband thing. Can't understand the hatred.

I don't want the government owning my broadband connection. At the moment they at least have to get a court order to access your data from a third party ISP.