To think that the outcome of the general election shows the results of what a second referendum would have been?

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This was sold as a Brexit General election and the resounding result of a Conservative landslide majority surely demonstrates once and for all that the majority of people (again, well, even more now) want Brexit to happen, despite people insisting people had changed their minds.

To people that said they would accept the result of a second referendum, do you accept it now? (I’m not talking about the conservatives winning, but specifically about the referendum result). If not, what, specifically, was the reason for a Conservative landslide?

All parties need to shift their stances before the next election, and fast, IMO.

Yes @Mumoftwoyoungkids, that may be your reason for voting Labour, but you cannot extrapolate that time everyone else.

Lots of people voted Labour because they like their other policies or wanted JC to be PM (!).

Some people will have voted Labour as they didn’t want the Tories to win - for reasons other than Brexit. Etc, etc...

Labour have never been committed to remain and you can’t count votes for Labour as votes for remain.

to everyone else not time (?!)

@Shoppingwithmother apologies but I am completely missing your point then because it’s certainly not evidencing why brexit is the will of the people.

I agree labour are fence sitters but you can’t disregard the numbers from the second largest political party - of course they need to be considered if you’re translating GE results into a yes/no answer.

It doesn’t change the actual result so why is it such a big deal to acknowledge it?

Deathgrip excellent points, I think you are right.

Labour were pretty neutral so you cannot count votes for them as votes for remain.

I just wonder why Labour and the lib dems didn't join forces under a different leader with a 2nd referendum plan and a 'Stop the Tories' slogan. My view is they would not just gave picked up the combined current vote but may have done even better.

Maybe!

I still think it might have been tight but I think it would have given people an honest 2nd vote on brexit and a different leader.

Lib dems and Labour should have seen this coming. If they didn't they are more out of touch, IMHO.

@Finerumpus well that’s not true is it

Approx 14m voter for tories and brexit to get brexit done.

Approx 18m votes for pro remain/second referendum parties

So your comment is distinctly incorrect

Some people will have voted Labour as they didn’t want the Tories to win - for reasons other than Brexit. Etc, etc...

And the reverse is also true, not everyone who voted Tory will have done so with brexit as their focus making your original interpretation of the data defunct anyway.

Well I’m saying you can’t translate them into yes/no!

Even if you could “I don’t know - let’s have another referendum” is not an option on a referendum ballot paper - it’s yes or no. You can’t count as you say “fence sitters” as yes or no - they haven’t committed themselves.

So what I’m saying is, to the people desperately trying to manipulate the figures to salvage some sort of victory for remain “you can’t count Labour as definite remain.”

I’m just putting up a reasonable logical intelligent argument against those who are saying more people voted for remain parties. You can’t say that.

I would also, in the interest of balance, say you can’t count all the Conservative votes as votes for leave. Brexit was very low down on my list of reasons for voting Conservative.

It wasn’t a referendum, it was an election.

Nope. There is no strong party advocating to remain. LIbDem is a joke, everyone knows they will never win it, Labour has a weak wishy washy leader. There was no home for remainers who don't hate Labour.

Cross post!

@Shoppingwithmother well I agree with that albeit from the other side of the argument i.e it’s not really a mandate to leave either because, as you rightly say, it was a GE not a referendum.

Obviously the tories were successful so will enact brexit but I still think that the (significant) portion of the electorate not behind that should be recognised whether it be they want to remain or dislike the terms negotiated.

if you wanted brexit there was a clear choice but if you wanted to remain or disagreed with the negotiations it was multiple choice.

I don’t really have an answer but it’s hard to watch people get answers to legitimate questions because it’s got so complicated and messy.

Meshy12 you need to do your sums again. There are helpful posts above showing how Get Brexit Done won.

Alternatively see the GE result. Whichever way the votes are counted referendum, E.U. elections & GE, the result comes back the same.

I cannot understand the people who are saying 'I voted Conservative in the GE but I'd vote remain in a second EU referendum' Surely by voting Cons you knew that a Cons majority would get the Brexit deal through? Why take that risk? If you voted Conservative you were voting to Get Brexit done

Because of FPTP and also because peoe voted on a raft of issues this is not a decisive proof that the majority of people want Brexit but it does mean it will be forced on us with all the horrible consequences.

I think Boris might attempt better terms with the EU than his current shitty WA. The strength of his majority gives him more power.

Because for some people having Jeremy Corbyn as PM especially on that manifesto is a far far worse prospect than Brexit.

Brexit is not the be all and end all for everyone.

I really resent having to vote on brexit and who to run the country combined. Lots of peoples brexit stance doesnt align with their part of choice.
I also think a lot of people are just fed up and want to stop talling about it

It was all a charade of choice anyway. The choice was vote conservative get the WA. Vote labour, get the WA but in a few months time adter corbyn re-negotiated an identical deal or vote liberal and get the WA via a referendum saying ' do you want the WA or to revoke' but obviously they'd have to set an absulute majority on revoke cos it would be a stalemate if it was 45-55 either way and theyd never achieve a a big majority.

A landslide is defined as a majority of 100+ seats.

I don't think it does, it just shows how many people rejected the Labour Party under Mr Corbyn and/or are fed up with talk about Brexit.