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To think that the outcome of the general election shows the results of what a second referendum would have been?

143 replies

TheNameGames · 13/12/2019 07:06

This was sold as a Brexit General election and the resounding result of a Conservative landslide majority surely demonstrates once and for all that the majority of people (again, well, even more now) want Brexit to happen, despite people insisting people had changed their minds.

To people that said they would accept the result of a second referendum, do you accept it now? (I’m not talking about the conservatives winning, but specifically about the referendum result). If not, what, specifically, was the reason for a Conservative landslide?

All parties need to shift their stances before the next election, and fast, IMO.

OP posts:
potter5 · 13/12/2019 07:36

The deed is done. Accept what the people voted for, bit like when they voted to leave the EU.

wondering7777 · 13/12/2019 07:36

Nope, it shows that people are sick of the subject and want it done with so we can move on with the future.

As a remainer, I’m also sick of the subject but would never ever vote Tory just to “get it done”. I can’t believe that anyone who truly wants to remain would! Besides, a win for the Lib Dems would also have seen us “get it done” in the opposite sense - A50 immediately revoked and Brexit dropped for good.

Wonderland18 · 13/12/2019 07:36

I think it shows the results of a second Scottish independence referendum clearer.

catlady3 · 13/12/2019 07:36

I don't agree because for a lot of people, brexit wasn't the primary issue. There were strong feelings about corbyn etc. That's why this election was pushed, rather than having a straight up referendum. The Conservative vote share hardly moved from 2017, it's not like support for them has actually increased overall. They knew they would have lost both referendum and election if it had been that way around.

WinnieTheW0rm · 13/12/2019 07:36

I think it definitely kills off possibility of both revoke and second referendum.

So yes, I think YANBU. This was a landslide for a pro-Brexit party.

Not a narrow win

Remember - 2017 Labour stood on Leave and did way better, and the country voted for Leave parties in greater numbers than Remain. But Remainers did not like that being pointed out, and sought ways to flip,fly round it. Labour this time stood, not on Remain, but on 'try again, maybe second referendum', not Remain. I don't think that can be spun along the lines of 'more people voted for Remain parties'

I think it's time to stop trying to unpick the repeated endorsements of Leave.

wondering7777 · 13/12/2019 07:45

I think it's time to stop trying to unpick the repeated endorsements of Leave.

Yes, there’s not much point now is there? Thanks to yesterday’s result we’re leaving and that’s that Sad

Oohaye · 13/12/2019 07:46

Yes. Mumsnet can stop bleating on about how the public have changed their mind. They clearly haven’t

orangeteal · 13/12/2019 07:52

I'm a FIRM retainer but I think a second referendum would result in Brexit again. You can't fight stupid.

orangeteal · 13/12/2019 07:53

Remainer not retainer Grin

Loopytiles · 13/12/2019 07:54

An election is not a referendum. I would’ve preferred the latter!

StatisticallyChallenged · 13/12/2019 07:58

I think another referendum would be very similar to the first - it might just tip the other way, but it wouldn't be decisive in either direction I don't think.

doritosdip · 13/12/2019 08:02

People voted on topics other than Brexit eg tax rises for people over £82k, being against Labour spending plans

If the GE was directly linked to Brexit, we'd see Lib Dem in second place.

Glitterygracie · 13/12/2019 08:10

Yes absolutely, I think the majority of people in this country now want Brexit to happen. This is mainly because they think that once it has then all the discussion will go away and we'll magically be back to "normal"

I voted Labour, I'm a strong remainer but at this point I acknowledge that the majority of the country want something different from me. That's democracy isn't it?

notnowmaybelater · 13/12/2019 08:20

Only under a first past the post system do people insist that 43% of the vote is a landslide majority...

If a vote for Boris was a vote to "get Brexit done" then "get Brexit done" lost surely, as only 43% of those who voted, voted conservative...

yellowbananas123 · 13/12/2019 08:22

of course it was. This election was the equivalent of a second referendum with a bigger Leave vote than before.
Last night as we watched the Exit Poll, I said that this is the start of the EU crumbling altogether. Many other EU countries want their own Exit

RoseAndRose · 13/12/2019 08:24

"Only under a first past the post system do people insist that 43% of the vote is a landslide majority..."

Yes, and as we are FPTP, it's entirely apt.

NameChangeNugget · 13/12/2019 08:25

As someone who campaigned for remain, I must concede that I think you are right OP

Marleyisme · 13/12/2019 08:25

Hmm on the fence with this one. I can see how it plays like that.

But I think a lot of voters, who this was a main issue for, knew lib dems werent a viable choice and didnt want labours 'hmmm not quite sure yet' attitude to it.

People now want it resolved. Either way.

notnowmaybelater · 13/12/2019 08:27

RoseAndRose it's not a bigger leave vote than before though is it? 43% voting conservative yesterday isn't more than 52% voting leave in 2016...

Actionhasmagic · 13/12/2019 08:29

Remain parties combined would have won though

SonEtLumiere · 13/12/2019 08:30

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MereDintofPandiculation · 13/12/2019 08:32

people “want it done with” (aka, it happening). No, people want the endless Parliamentary discussion done, more like "I don't care what you do, just do something and stop bothering me about it". Given a clear cut choice between "leave EU in this way" and "stay in and stop talking about it", you might have got a different result.

WobblyAllOver · 13/12/2019 08:32

Remain parties combined would have won though

That's assuming people only voted on Brexit. I didn't and I assume lots of others didn't either.

maddening · 13/12/2019 08:53

Still not a 60-70% majority either way which is what you need to not divide the country the way brexit has, it is too close to 50/50 so whichever way a slim majority went it is wrong to take that answer as you will always have a sufficiently large pissed off proportion of the population, we should never have triggered what is such a life changing, future changing, financial impacting decision on such a slim majority in the first place, leave or remain the question should have been revisited at regular intervals until a significant majority one way or another was reached, I believe the same of the indyref in Scotland and posted as much at the time of their first referendum.

contentedsoul · 13/12/2019 08:59

YES
The country needs to move on.