If Scotland becomes independent

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If Scotland becomes independent how long until a general election would be called and what do you predict the results would be? Do you think SNP would eventually disband?

I am 49 and would vote for Scottish independence as I did last time. As will my 45 yr old Dh, my 29 yr old DD and my very politically aware 16 yr old DS.
I have wanted this for as long as I have been aware of politics.

I don't get the whole 'once in a lifetime thing'. We have elections regularly because opinions change. And i think the fact that Brexit was not voted for in Scotland is a massive change and we need to take another look at Scottish opinion via a referendum due to this.
I have seen a massive change in my lifetime towards independence. I do believe it is a matter of time rather than IF it will happen. Whether that decision will be made this time around I'm not sure but I do believe it will happen.

It is an academic question for the next five years

I don't think he's going after 5 years. Isn't he planning to change the law so he doesn't have to? Article 48 of his manifesto.

Can I ask Scottish people on here l, do you want Scotland to leave the UK? I speak to a lot of people ages 50+ through work and they all say how much they dislike Nicola sturgeon and how they want to stay in the uk

Yes is the answer to that!

I am over 45 and will vote for independence as will my husband and two adult children.

I'm horrified at the media here and it's touting of it's millionaire owners directives. I've lived in a country with government controlled media it's not good but we are no better. Something MUST be done. How the Independence campaign will get through the daily lies that are peddled I really don't know.

Oh and it's our pound runs away and hides

I am not Scottish, but my perception from friends who live in Scotland is that amongst those who voted against Scottish independence in 2014, many who voted Remain in 2016 would now vote for Scottish independence (more so since this latest election) because they do not want to be linked to an England that is so heavily Tory and which will leave the EU.

(They are in my age bracket, ie 45-59)

If Scotland does become independent and rejoins the eu will there need to be a hard border? Sturgeon wants freedom of movement, don't know how that would work if England isn't in the EU.

I am scottish and I still want independence (as I did last time round). I don’t see it happening for a while yet. I think realistically we will need to stay in the U.K. for a while and let all the shit hit the fan when brexit finally does happen. I can see another referendum happening in 3/4 years time but not at the moment. I think 2024 would be the optimal time- that will be 10 years from the last vote and a long enough time to justify a second vote. You know the great thing about democracy is that people can change their minds. Things can change a lot in 10 years (such as leaving Europe - one of the main arguments used against Scottish independence was we wouldn’t be able to stay in the eu). The people that think we should never have another vote don’t quite get how democracy works. It’s been almost 8 years and we have accepted it and moved on. It was never ruled out for the future but it’s not really been pushed by NS or anyone else until this point. She has mentioned it after the way Scotland voted vs the rest of the U.K. on brexit. Obviously the aim for independence is a core part of the SNP so it’s never something that was just going to go away and be forgotten about. When you look at the how many constituencies do vote for the snp over other parties then it does show there is still an interest there. If everyone really thought it was 100% done and dusted forever then people wouldn’t vote for them.

I was sad at the results first time round but have moved on with life. I’m not one of the people ‘banging on’ about having a second referendum but I would be happy if we did and I would vote yes again.

Nicola has been playing the long game and I don’t see her really pushing for it just yet.

Voting for independence would be a massive overreaction to a Tory government and the sensible thing to do would be let the dust on Brexit settle, organise trade deals, Scotland start collecting taxes and managing their economy in a more independent way than they do now and edging their way to independence. Then in a few years time seek independence.

If they do could we please keep British summertime all year round and not mess about with the clocks and live in the dark? Please?

During the independence referendum, Scotland was constantly told a Yes vote would mean leaving the EU. Shortly after they are taken through the Brexit campaign, and are now facing leaving the EU. Constant lies from the Tory party, using scare tactics to the voters. The Scottish conservatives spent much of their time in the GE, spreading fear about Scottish independence - less said about what they can do for the people in Scotland.

I’m a a labour voter but will vote yes for independence. There is a Labour for Indy movement here, it’s not just about the SNP. Many people who voted no last time will vote yes at the next vote - Boris is the final nail in the coffin.

Facepalm

Labour aren't going to push for independency. Why would you waste your vote like that? If you don't like the SNP then choose another party ONCE we have independence.

I'm 49 and will vote for independence.

The Labour for Indy group posted that they've been inundated with new enquiries since Friday. Good to hear, whatever "official" policy is.

Well Michael Gove has said we're not getting it. So that's it then

Anyone who thinks the vote share in a general election says anything about an appetite for independence has a very shallow understanding of politics tbh....

And anyone who thinks that a 45% share of the General Election vote shows a majority of Scots in favour of independence has a very shallow understanding of maths, too.

Well it doesn’t show anything really was my point, some people definitely voted SNP despite them having independence in the manifesto for other reasons and some people definitely voted for other parties despite being in favour of independence.

How many is some?...

My no-voting family and friends in Scotland are mostly telling me they would vote yes in any 2nd referendum. I am a Scot living in England: no one gives a fuck what I think on either side of the border, so it's all one to me. (I would like to stay on BST year-round, though...)

I have wanted independence for many years and I’m 50 now. So do my adult children and my 16 year old can’t wait to be able to vote for it. Sick of hearing this once in a generation. Can anybody actually tell me who said it and when? So we are allowed a general election however often the mps decide to have one and can change our mind every time we vote but when it comes to 2014 it was final and we would never be ALLOWED to have another even though we were lied to about what would happen if we voted yes. The problem is that nobody outside Scotland saw all MSM crap that we were being fed at the time. People are also forgetting that a lot of people weren’t allowed to vote on Thursday that would be allowed to vote in a referendum like 16-18 year olds.

We will fund an independent Scotland the same way we do now but will be in full control of our finances rather than sending it to Westminster and them giving us some of it back. It’s a bit like handing over your wage to your mum and she gives you some spending money back and keeps the rest for herself.

I wonder if England decided it wanted out of the union and Scotland said no you can’t go would they be ok with that?

@Septembe66 - it was Alec Salmond who said it was a ‘once in a generation opportunity’ - in an interview with Andrew Marr. This is the quote from the BBC website:

” SNP leader Alex Salmond has said the Scottish referendum is a "once in a generation opportunity".
Speaking to Andrew Marr he said that a simple majority, however close, would be accepted by both sides in the campaign and there would be a "generational" gap before another independence referendum.”

Being pulled out of the EU when Scotland voted not to leave is worthy of a second referendum. Especially, when it was categorically stated that staying in the Union was our only way of staying in the EU.

Do people really believe that Scotland is funded by England, you send us a pile of cash up every year. Would the U.K. be so resistant to independence if this was the case? Why would England have tolerated this for so long?

1. We send approximately £60billion down, we receive approximately £30billion in a block grant. The U.K. gov spend the rest on some welfare benefits, pensions, defence, infrastructure project and the massive debt they keep creating. Scotland for some unknown reason currently pay more per head for defence and the debt. No one can explain why, have a look at GERS (but remember, GERS figures are estimated as U.K. gov will not confirm exact figures). We have a deficit because a gov we didn’t vote for decides where to spend the money and how much. We wouldn’t be paying for these extras if we were independent.

1. The Scottish gov must balance their books and pays for everything that doesn’t count as U.K. spending, including - large infrastructure (bridges, roads, hospitals), some welfare benefits (careers get more here), education, health, mitigating bedroom tax, prescriptions, tuition fees, social care.

1. The U.K. gov sell off oil licences and collect tax. Unlike Norway, who have a slightly smaller oil field the gov owns them and now has a 1trillion dollar fund. Scotland does not have an oil fund, but would take control of licences and taxes. Oh, and a massive new oil field opened just after the

1. There are lots of countries who have become independent from the British empire, none of them came back. If you compare our small country next similar sized ones across Europe, it’s surprising how better resourced we are in comparison but they’re doing better, something is holding us back and infrastructure is nowhere near what is should be for our size and economy. In the 17/18 century after England, Scotland had 2nd highest GDP in Europe. England is the biggest part of U.K. so understandably decisions are made primarily to benefit England. We must become independent to reach our full potential.

We have a massive export industry, generate huge amounts of electricity, build most of the satellites, have huge games industry. I could go on. That’s not even going in to how our renewable energy industry is beginning to dominate Europe. We need to be in Europe and if we are, like the rep. Of Ireland who were once dependent on U.K. for trade who now have a much bigger market with EU, I think we’ll be fine.

If I was in England I wouldn’t be worried about Scotland surviving, I’d be worried that you don’t have enough water or electricity to support yourselves. Your exports are dwindling and once Brexit has happened this will get worse, eg no car industry.

Think I accidentally deleted a bit, but it basically said that a massive new oil field opened just after indeyref. Even though the U.K. denied that it would, It’s a mystery 😂

“ The SNP share of the vote dropped from 50% to 45% last night, so they have no mandate for another independence referendum - and on those figures would lose it anyway. “

What a ridiculous load of nonsense.

The SNP vote share increased to from 37% at the last general election. And Westminster elections don’t allow 16 & 17 year olds or EU citizens to vote, unlike the independence referendum.

Polling for independence is now at 50%, polling for a referendum to take place is now higher than that. The Scottish Parliament has voted to have a referendum and today even senior members of the Labour Party in Scotland are backing a referendum. They will probably back Yes this time too.

When the last referendum was announced support for Yes was only at 25%.

No wonder you’re worried.