To think MN is a Hard Left echo chamber

[DowntownAbby]

And that's why so, so many MNers are baffled that the Conservatives are going to achieve a landslide victory over Labour.

Out there is the real world, there was far less support for Corbyn but most MNers couldn't see what was coming.

And the hyperbolically hysterical remainders are still around, talking about the sky falling in and hoarding supplies as if we were going to war.

Sterling is up about 1.5% on the election result, either showing Brexit is fully discounted or that a Corbyn government was even more feared by the markets.

As I said all along, Brexit will not be that big of a deal. We are a wealthy customer of the EU’s and, normally, businesses are nice to good customers.

Those posters will keep crying ‘oh but it is not done yet’ until it is done and then ‘the effects will take time’.

From what I have read, there is a wall of money waiting to be invested in the UK but they do want certainty. BJ’s deal (although probably worse than just remaining) will deliver this. Time will tell as to whether there are any positives to leaving but leave/stay will not be remembered as a seminal national event in the history books, one way or another.

Have you actually read the threads in here??

YABU

Yep some appalling behaviour by the left supporters

I think some lefties have a bigger chip on their shoulder and hate the rich/ toffs/private school goers / royalty - elections bring out the worst of this.

I’ve always found Left/centrist supporters to be tempered in their replies

I have never found that to be the case.

Not every poster is slinging insults, of course (and I hope I wouid be included amongst those who don't) and I've been around MN or several elections now.

But MN post-election shows how clearly strongly one side insults the other. And how even the smallest sign of pleasure by winning side is seized on as heartless.

Regardless of what I think of outcome in RL, the MN reaction is unedifying. But as the reputation of MN as a politically savvy site is long gone, it'll just be a case of waiting it out.

I think educated but rich enough not to work is the main demographic here. Whoever said champagne socialist hit the nail on the head.

Very few who work hard (themselves) to earn money would vote for Corbyn.

Should really read ‘and’ instead of ‘but’..

Labour voter here.

I've see disgusting behaviour on both sides, I really have. If it is even a tiny microcosm of society then this country is horribly fractured.

As upset as I am about today you can not argue with the result. The focus now has to be on holding the government to account on their promises ( investment in public services, ending austerity and the NHS) and I would hope very much that fair minded conservatives would feel the same.

Very few who work hard (themselves) to earn money would vote for Corbyn

No-one except his constituents votes for Corbyn.

Yes, we have been calling it out for a few days, the site was being dominated by it, and it was clearly not in line proportionally to the british public.

People were being abused if they dared to disagree, so went silent, being called racist, homophobic etc,

Last night was awful though, people being called "murdering cunts" and the like.

Don't you know that Tories have murdered several hundred thousand people by way of austerity?

Never found that. Just the opposite, actually. I’ve always found Left/centrist supporters to be tempered in their replies, but the Right full of hate and outright untruths

Ha ha, are you being deliberately silly?

The bile thrown at people who didn't like Corbyn has been unbelievable. I am more glad than I should be with the result purely because of it.

And @larrygrylls plenty of us Labour supporters do work hard thanks. It's that kind of casual lie and assumption that is so so harmful on both sides. I don't assume that you are loaded because you voted Tory for example. That kind of casual labelling really doesn't help.

My husband votes Labour and is a teacher in a SEN school ( full time).
I work in a corporate job full time in a client facing services role.

I agree OP. But I think there are also a lot of conservatives on mumsnet who just didn’t feel the need to argue about politics on mumsnet. The pro labour threads were pretty intolerant of conservative views and conservatives were branded nasty, etc. I think those threads became echo chambers, with the conservative mumsnetters avoiding them.

@larrygrylls well I do, I'm a working class single mum living in a Midlands factory town. And a lot of my family and friends voted Labour - one a teacher, one working for the NHS for example.

I think a lot of the lefties on mumsnet also fell into the trap that the labour fell into. They did not listen. It was all lecturing, preaching, moralising, but not at all listening and engaging with the public’s wishes. Most people do not want to live in a full socialist state. Most people pay taxes and worry about how those taxes are spent. Most people are concerned about the impact of an unaffordable state on future generations. None of these concerns make us nasty, they are all reasonable concerns and they were all ignored. Oh yes, and labour’s position on Brexit makes no sense.

Public sector workers are a bit different as their pay depends on big government, although abolishing private education would actually be terrible for teachers (regardless of where they teach).

The reality is the Conservatives are not very right wing, they are a centrist party. When labour moved left, they lost the central ground, which is where most voters are.

Couple this with racism, arrogance and bullying and, well, last night showed where that gets you.

It has been consistently out of touch politically since 2010. MN needs to crack down on the activists (majority labour) and the regurgitation of Facebook memes.

Considering MN is supposed to be "better educated" than NM, it has confirmed time and again it really isn't

abolishing private education would actually be terrible for teachers (regardless of where they teach)

Do explain how this would work.

MN on average is on the middling to higher level of education and tend to be slightly younger than the average voter and there is therefore a leaning towards labour but not more than those demographics in the general population and it's certainly not hard left. If there was a chat room with mainly people educated to GCSE or lower level it would similarly reflect that and be more supportive of Tory/Leave.

Wow.....

MN needs to crack down on the activists (majority labour)

How would that work? If MN rules aren't breached then it's all OK. Or do have a different vision?

Echt,

Private schools pay up for good teachers. State schools have to compete.

Who would push up teachers’ salaries if it were all driven by government diktat?

I think maybe people didn't feel they could express their view in real life so turned to MN to express them instead.

Labour's policies are too far left and their leader is deeply unappealing to many. It is simply not the case that everyone who voted Conservative hates the NHS, the poor, and the disabled. If Labour wants to stand a chance it needs to boot Corbyn and head back towards the centre ASAP.

Re. abolishing private education the answer is pretty bloody obvious. In my city, the state schools are already overstretched and underfunded, teaching has a massive recruitment and even bigger retention problem, even if you threw vast sums of money at it you couldn't solve the problems overnight - it would take years to fix. Suddenly dump several thousand extra pupils from the city's private schools into an already overstretched state system and you would break it.

In microcosm that's what was wrong with the whole of Corbyn's unicorns-and-broadband policies; they were unrealistic. No-one (outside of the party faithful) thought they made economic sense. Many of us could see all sorts of unintended adverse consequences lurking downstream.