Let's face reality both options are crap - election

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Both Johnson or Corbyn are shit options. Both have a lot of downsides. I've yet to find a positive side to either of them. Both lie, both are childish, both will ruin the country in their own unique ways.

Yet there's really no point in voting for any of the others. Snp will never get into power, they are just a wasted vote, as are Plaid cymru, dup etc as they only serve one country. Lib dems are a joke and have been for years.

Yes there is the lovely idea of 'but if we all vote for the lib dems/whoever they could win'. Not really going to happen at this late stage is it? A rainbow coalition is about the most likely scenario, but that didn't exactly work well between the tories and lib dems did it? I can't see Corbyn and sturgeon getting along once she realises he's lied to her. So nothing will get accomplished yet again.

So who the hell do you choose? Which is the least worst evil amongst Johnson or Corbyn?

I actually don't know who to pick. Both suck. Tempted just to spoil my vote now to be honest. Either way the country is screwed from Friday.

Based on the candidates for my area, think I will go tory. The snp guy has 3 jobs and they aren't allowed second jobs in the snp as they said it would divert their focus, so how does he have 3?

The Labour guy is just a parrot, has no ideas of his own. So meh.

Tory it is.. Woo..

Jeremy Corbyn's Labour aren't perfect but I genuinely don't understand how anyone can think they're in any way comparable to the awfulness of this cruel, callous, flagrantly dishonest Conservative Government.

“ Based on the candidates for my area, think I will go tory.“
Don’t base it on the individuals. Base it on the policies.

Well, for me it's mainly what they have said, done, promised/not promised. Corbyn and Momentum are quite as bad as anything of a Tory persuasion.

Partisan politics surely must get blown out of the water by this last decade, the last 3 years in particular?

I know I have a couple of friends who are ardent Corbynistas. It is impossible to discuss politics with them as they have the entrenched view that he, and Labour/Momentum, cannot be compared to anything Tory. Which they really can, and be found equally lacking!

Don’t base it on the individuals. Base it on the policies. I'd ask you too to read my ealrier posts and pick a candidate for me

Basically my choice is:
Tory incumbent who I don't like on a personal level
Labour with a building project promised that somply cannot happen.. literally cannot hapen, I am not beng NIMBY
Green who is so very blinkered and focusses on woodcrafts!
2 withdrawn Indies!

I don't understand how they are in any way comparable. For a start, their manifestos could not be more different.

Setting aside accusations of anti-Semitism (on the Labour side) and Islamaphobia (on the Tory side), there's a stark difference between Labour's agenda to help those most in need and the Tory agenda to continue with cuts and austerity. Plus 88% of the Tories political ads this election period have been found to be misleading, whereas none of Labour's have.

What have Jeremy Corbyn and Labour done that's anywhere near as bad as Boris Johnson and the Tories continually lying, decimating the NHS, making brutal cuts that have directly lead to the deaths of disabled and vulnerable people etc etc?

Do you have an Independent candidate? I was going so spoil my ballot paper but my Independent candidate is fab so she's getting my vote and my DH's

Don’t base it on the individuals. Base it on the policies.

For all the difference it will make, I may as well vote on who I think is dressed nicest in the pictures.

I don't understand how they are in any way comparable. For a start, their manifestos could not be more different. They can be entirely different in political detail but precisely the same in ethics, morality and believability!

peachescariad No. The My Name Only and the Let's Have a Reforendum Every Time We Need to Decide Something Indy's both stood down!

I have no idea who I will be voting for tomorrow. The whole thing makes me feel well and truly depressed. I've had my head in the sand and tried to avoid it all. I've always voted and I can't imagine not doing it but I just keep doing round in circles.

It's not a presidential campaign, you aren't choosing a leader you are choosing a party, or more specifically a constituent MP. There is staggering ignorance around british politics. Reason we are in this mess.

there's a stark difference between Labour's agenda to help those most in need and the Tory agenda to continue with cuts and austerity. You make that sound as though Labour had nothing to do with the need for austerit measures. And that you believe free broadband (for example) will solve all of our ills!

As previous posters have said, despite all the words and attempts to distract us, this is really a single issue election - the issue is Brexit.

If you want years of renegotiating 700+ trade agreements, with all the uncertainty that will mean, a huge cost to the economy and the threat of leaving the EU with no trade agreement (“No Deal”) by the end of 2020 - vote Conservative.

As a pp said, if we later have to apply to rejoin, we will never regain the terms of membership we currently have in the EU. No euro, no Schengen, etc etc. It’s Germany +++.

If you don’t want all of that risk, don’t vote Conservative. It’s really as simple of that.

There is staggering ignorance around british politics. Reason we are in this mess. You might have missed a few posts there! Then again, maybe not!

Believability I'll grant you, but they're nowhere NEAR comparable in ethics and morality. Setting aside any judgement on which side you align, they couldn't be further apart!

Either you want to continue with austerity but see no increase in tax, or you want to pay more tax but improve social care. That's the fundamentals it comes down to. I'm not sure Labour and the Tories have ever been more diametrically opposed on the political spectrum as they are in this election.

Vote Conservative. Labour will destroy the economy. It will take us back to the 1970s. It will have no money to fund services. Public seervices are safer in Tory hands for that reason.
Even if people do not choose on issues such as the economy choose on the basis of gender laws - Labour is going to allow self declaration. The Tories instead have not gone ahead with plans to change the current gender laws. Women are safer in Tory hands.

If still in doubt about the 'least worst' option, you could always look at the time impact of your decision. Vote Labour, and you can 'fix' your decision in another 5 years by voting Conservative. Vote Conservative, and the impact (from Brexit) will be felt for around 20 years minimum, no matter who you vote for in the next election.

You make that sound as though Labour had nothing to do with the need for austerit measures.

The financial crash was over a decade ago. The Tories cannot continue to blame Labour for the state of the British economy when they've been in power for so long.

And that you believe free broadband (for example) will solve all of our ills!
No, I believe that the rich paying more tax (and I'm happy to include myself in that, even though under Labour's plans I wouldn't pay any more tax) and wealth being redistributed through social care will reduce the number of people living and dying in poverty and that that's a good thing. If you don't think that's a good thing, that's your look out, and feel free to vote Tory. But don't pretend they're the same.

greenlobster we have a Monster Raving Loony candidate and the manifesto is hysterical.....ridiculous of course, but it I think it's the first thing that's made me laugh about this GE

The tories have been cutting public services for 9 years.

The financial crash was over a decade ago. Please! And the one immediately before that? And the one immediately before that? NO PARTY can claim not to have helped dig the financial hole we are in!

Taxation does ned to be looked at, but I am not entierly sure Labour have always had the right of that either. Consider Brown's changes.

feel free to vote Tory. You might have missed my saying that until a few years ago I was a card carrying Labour member, had been for my whole adult life. Family is socialist through and through, pickets, strike actions etc etc. I will NEVER feel free to vote Tory! That's why I am here, trying to unpock my political dilemma!

I'm not arguing about the cause of the financial crisis. I don't even really know how that came into it. I'm not even arguing about who you (the generic you) should vote for. I'm simply refuting your statement that Labour are in any way the same as the Tories when it comes to morals and ethics. They are not.

NO PARTY can claim not to have helped dig the financial hole we are in!

No party was to blame for the 2008 financial crisis. The Conservatives are to blame for the wrong response to the financial crisis (they should have borrowed to invest, rather than imposed austerity).

15 ex Labour MPs are now calling for people not to vote Labour. Even they are sure the Tories are best.

Vote for the version of the state and economy you want.

There’s too much noise out there to do otherwise