Let's face reality both options are crap - election

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Both Johnson or Corbyn are shit options. Both have a lot of downsides. I've yet to find a positive side to either of them. Both lie, both are childish, both will ruin the country in their own unique ways.

Yet there's really no point in voting for any of the others. Snp will never get into power, they are just a wasted vote, as are Plaid cymru, dup etc as they only serve one country. Lib dems are a joke and have been for years.

Yes there is the lovely idea of 'but if we all vote for the lib dems/whoever they could win'. Not really going to happen at this late stage is it? A rainbow coalition is about the most likely scenario, but that didn't exactly work well between the tories and lib dems did it? I can't see Corbyn and sturgeon getting along once she realises he's lied to her. So nothing will get accomplished yet again.

So who the hell do you choose? Which is the least worst evil amongst Johnson or Corbyn?

I actually don't know who to pick. Both suck. Tempted just to spoil my vote now to be honest. Either way the country is screwed from Friday.

Jennifer, you're comparing having 350 mps to 50. If you've got 350 mps you've got more chance to get what you want than with 50. They are usually made to vote the way the party wants them to anyway. They can disagree yes but generally they will get the amount of votes needed to pass it.

I’m in Scotland. The choice is somewhat easier. 🙂

Bluegingerale
If we Brexit it can never be undone

Can we never rejoin??

Agree they are all crap. I doubt Labour will get anything in their manifesto done apart from a referendum because they will be a minority government. I was all set for voting Labour because I want another referendum but on the other hand the worst case scenario now that it looks like a Tory win is a Tory minority government because they will once again be in hock to the objectionable dinosaurs of the DUP. Im hoping for a hung Parliament where Labour can form a government with the SNP/Lib Dems. I also hope they drop the pointless 'renegotiate the leave deal in 3 months' and are forced to just go for a straight leave/ remain choice by the SNP and/or Lib Dems. We could easily unseat the Tory MP here but she is a remainer and will be one more moderate voice in the Tory Party to counteract the ERG loons. Hope Raab, Villiers, Redwood and IDS lose their seats though. That'll cheer me up!

Can we never rejoin??
We could, but we'd lose 40 years worth of concessions that has given us the sweetest deal of virtually every other country in the EU. No rebate, no sterling and a complete loss of respect. We would be begging to go back in just like we did in 1973 because we were a basket case.

Don't fall for stats, whoever it is that quotes them!

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Anytime anyone quotes some extrapolated number or party soundbite as "fact", I regard them as little more than activist bias (on any side)

I don’t want a hung parliament, to be honest. I hope whatever the outcome on Friday it isn’t that.

I regard them as little more than activist bias (on any side) Yup! That's the only way to see them!

I don’t want a hung parliament, to be honest. That too! Scariest damn possibility we have! Another 5 years of this fuckwitted stagnation and Personal Politics, Look At Me I am Wonderful shite!

I’ve already voted ( postal vote) for Labour. I live in Manchester and the decline in people’s standard of living in the last few years is horrific. Everyone I know I voting Labour except one very well off family with off shore businesses. I think it’s a no-brainer.

I'm voting labour the same as always. I canvas with them and our candidate is fantastic.

I think it’s a no-brainer. I am sure many devoted Tory voters would agree, the No Brained vote Labour!

But that isn't really the point, is it? Until about 5 years ago I would have agreed and thrown my Labour vote in, regardless of the fact that round here they have no chance of getting in. Then I resigned my membership, anti semitism, TWAW as a starting point etc etc.

I can't do that now. Any party will have to convince me. Nationally that isn't happening. So I looked locally... and found sod all to vote for!

Nope! Helpful as this thread has been, I still can't decide!

Sorry, I meant to add a at the beginning of that!

This is what I don't get... The passionate supporters of these 2 remind me of people that are in an abusive relationship but can't see it themselves. They won't have a bad word said about their leader but will bring up every bad thing possible about the opposition. There is no reasoning with either side... Very much like The USA election..

. How on earth between 2 of the most powerful countries in the world have we ended up with Clinton, Trump, Corbyn and Boris as potential leaders ... Embarrassing really.

It’s a much simpler issue up here in Scotland. Vote tactically for whoever has the best chance of defeating the SNP. In my own very tight marginal (21 vote majority) that’s the Tories.
If the SNP get an increased majority, they’ll take it as a mandate to have yet another expensive, divisive independence referendum, and risk tearing our country apart.

To any Scots voters I’d say come and support whichever candidate in your area will keep our country united

The UK isn't a country. It's a union of countries.

And I'll be voting SNP with a clear conscience to keep out the slimy Lib Dem candidate. I've met him. He's a real creep.

Clinton, Trump, Corbyn and Boris As someone else pointed out... why Boris, why not Johnson? Blind spot

I think that we are stuck between a rock and a hard place here TBH! vote Labour and looking at their promises of spending (58 billion Waspi women, 100 bil new council homes and so on ,no idea how they plan to pay for all this!) Boris is determined to go through with Brexit, also currently so many people struggling ,hospitals in crisis etc. Still got no idea really .Will have to decide when there I think!

I think Boris is just fun to say haha...

The choice to me is simple. 120,000 people have died as a result of austerity, that figure is from peer reviewed research, it is undisputed.

It is certainly not 'undisputed'. This figure is being quoted a lot, but independant fact check websites say that the research this figure originates from actually do not prove that this is the case. They say that other scientists have raised doubts, that the figure should be handled with care and that there are other explanations for the increase in deaths.

fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/
www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people

If you really can't decide who to vote for at a national party level then vote for your local MP, ie the person who you think will do the most good for your community at a local level irrespective of what party they belong to. Find out who's standing in your consituency if you don't already know and look at their websites. If you had the sort of problem that your local MP could help you with then which one looks like they would give a shit? Are any of them already doing good things for your local area?

I despise the conservative party, but can't fault the guy who was our local tory MP 20 odd years ago. When I was being evicted along with my seriously ill baby and facing homelessness or having to move miles away to somewhere totally unsuitable for her medical needs and away from my family support he was really helpful in persuading the local council to help us.

I think Boris is just fun to say haha... At least oit gives me a new ear worm... Bo - oris the Spider, er

@greenlobster could you go back to my earlier posts and pick on for me please?

I swore that's what I would do! And then I looked more closely...

Im hoping for a hung Parliament where Labour can form a government with the SNP/Lib Dems

That sounds like the worst of all worlds. If Labour/SNP can win enough seats together then they can form some form of minority government. However, the LDs have already said that they wouldn’t back many of Labour’s key policies - including nationalisation. Ed Daley said yesterday that they wouldn’t back a Labour Finance Bill or Queen’s Speech. I’m not even sure the SNP would be keen on Labour’s massive government borrowing plans.

We would then be stuck in a 6 month ‘limbo’ of no government - bickering and negotiations with the only thing achieved being a second EU referendum. Meanwhile the pound plummets, the FTSE crashes and all with the backdrop of a US/China trade war and looming Eurozone recession. It’ll do wonders for the UK economy!

I agree that Boris is awful. However, a hung parliament is no great saviour situation.

@CuriousaboutSamphire Oh wow, you haven't got much of a choice there have you! I'd be voting tacttically to try and get Bloody BJ out on the grounds that no-one could possibly be worse than him I suppose

This election possibly needs a moster raving loony party candidate in every constituency.

greenlobster I'd have voted for an MRL candidate, my very first vote went that way (Francis Pimm was the incumbent).

Even if the Labour lady was sensible the Tory seat here is nigh on impregnable. But I really do WANT to vote. I always have...