to wonder why parts of Mumsnet are so intolerant

[rhubarbcrumbles]

Just that really, I've been on here pretty much since MN started and I'm seeing more and more racist posts and they are being allowed to stand.

More people are being critical of people on low incomes and judging them and it's not the supportive place it once was.

Boris Johnson, Jacon Rees Mogg and the like do not discern between the people they consider to be of a lower class than them.

An educated working class person is just as much shit on their shoes as a 'chav' as far as they are concerned.

@feelingverylazytoday

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/radiolab/id152249110

No I haven’t misunderstood. You are working from out of date school text book science.
Science moves fast at its frontiers.

Biology is more complicated than you are giving it credit for.

This is only one episode from a series but this is the one that examines SRY and DMRT1 specifically

Of course there are social groupings, but it clear that some who consider themself outside that group create derogatory names for those they perceive as belonging to that group.

To continually use an offensive term for some is horrible, and groups like goths for instance as a adolescent development identity, doesn't compare at all.

That expression is so derogatory and ties together a number of applied perceived characteristics which is very up yourself to use.

Goths will call themselves goths, its so different it can't possibly compare.

Money doesn't make a group either, whether in abundance or lack of.

Having money doesn't bring with it any other characteristics of levels of aggression, tolerance, manners or intellect.

There are wonderful people everywhere regardless of their circumstance or upbringing, and there are unfortunately despicables everywhere too.

Out there, offline, and naturally here too. You've only got to see a few trolling threads to see how sick some are and the harm they seek to cause or the thrill they get from upsetting people.

Its truly sad.

YANBU

And I am saying that you are likely of the same social milieu (or close as bedamned) as those you brand "chavs". That is all. You may look down on them for wearing pjs, smoking and listening to 'chav music' but they're your people all the same. The difference between you and them is absolutely nowt compared to the difference between the elite And you. You're as much the lumpen prole. And more fool you for not seeing it.
What the hell?

This gets funnier and funnier.

People who openly admit everyone makes social judgements are blind to the fact that the elite might also do the same... Hmm.

I'm sure the ruling elite couldn't give a damn about a public sectior union supporter like me. I don't need my eyes opening with pseudo-sociological bullshit.

Feminazgul
All sorts of people will look at social groups from their own perspectives and experiences and see common traits and behaviours.

Just some of us admit that everyone does it whilst others start silly mental gymnastics about how they totally couldn't possibly do such a thing and anyone who does is blind to reality.

Jesus
My point is that offline and in life people will have words to describe groups of people and shared behaviours, be it chav or anything else. Equally people will judge in situations etc.

Online, however, people fall over themselves to be offended and claim they'd never do such a thing, never judge, are outraged by those who do.

It's totally ridiculous.

I agree OP. I like to think of myself as a feminist. Not on MN though. I once popped over to that section and was deeply disturbed by the vitriol that is aimed towards trans/non-binary.
I didn't dare question it but I will never go over to that section again. I still see myself as a feminist. Just not an MN one.

You are being repeatedly offensive though.
that is an offensive term, whereas other terms for social groupings are not, like goths.

How can you not see how insulting it is to refer to any other person this way, and I dread to imagine what traits you imagine throw fellow humans into this group?
You are also keen on the term 'elite'. Noone is elite fgs.

Theres recognising differences in wealth, ability, lifestyle, tolerance, intelligence and interaction but using offensive terms to try to actively group sets of traits is harmful.

Look at all the harm that gender sterotypes have done to women. The pink/blue jobs, the girly run, the girly girl, the wage gap, if you're not 'girly' enough you're a 'tomboy', a womens wages is 'pin money' and not important, men do important things and are strong, unemotional and all that bollocks. Its all very harmful labelling and misrepresentation of male and female lives, and stereotyping both sexes is proven as damaging.

So there reasonable style names, and theres levels of wealth, and theres enlightenment, and consideration, and rudeness and entitlement.

Whats wrong is grouping a set together and using a derogatory term against them.

Jesus
You don't judge... I'm not sure how that works when deciding that anyone who does judge is "thick as shit" but anyway, I'm sure it's fun to pretend to be enlightened online.

It's exactly what I was laughing at earlier in the thread. Some people really do think they are more enlightened than the rest of humanity.

There's prejudicd across the whole population regardless wealth.

Its not all about wealth for everyone.

Calling others derogatory names is prejudiced and discriminatory.

You think because you do it, others do too. Thankfully others have a different perspective to you.

Yeah it's horrible. Not been following mumsnet very long and I don't think I will. Seems like a bunch of horrible Tories are very loud on here.

There’s a lot of bad feeling g towards people who are poor and accept benefits and people who are wealthy and choose not to use state services but that’s because the website is British heavy. Britain isn’t a balanced society in this respect, these kinds of views are inevitable. But everything racist/transphobic etc is taken down as far as I can see.

Seeing evidence of something and naming it is very different to random slurs via offensive terms

@JesusMaryAndJosepheen if anything the middle class is more looked down on than the lower class who simply aren’t on the radar. The British class system has a lot to answer for.

Boggin did you rtft, as you will see others see the opposite. Which is hilarious from both perspectives to see that the left and the right are both posting the same view from the other side

Smotheroffive

The bottom line is that in our area being a chav is different to not having money. It's people who demonstrate a series of antisocial behaviours and that's the word that's used for people who act like that.

I'm not going to pretend that I look at that set of behaviour and consider it anything other than loutish and antisocial just because some people online think it's mean.

As I've said, everyone judges in social situations. It's just some people online like to claim they'd never bat an eyelid at anything, except other people being open about the fact we all judge. Those people need to be called thick as shit obviously.

We can't and shouldn't get away from forming judgements, its a survival essential, but we have frontal lobes to look beyond and not join in with the insulting offensive prejudicial name-calling.

There is a world of different between judging someone as being rude, and name-calling.

You have just explained the difference between judging and name-calling.

You have conflated the two in your posts.

I do not believe this to be true.

MN are quite good at calling out idiocy, self indulgence, not thinking things through, failing to protect abused children and other robust issues of the day.