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to wonder why parts of Mumsnet are so intolerant

153 replies

rhubarbcrumbles · 07/12/2019 19:37

Just that really, I've been on here pretty much since MN started and I'm seeing more and more racist posts and they are being allowed to stand.

More people are being critical of people on low incomes and judging them and it's not the supportive place it once was.

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LolaSmiles · 08/12/2019 10:14

Jesus
This is exactly what I was laughing about.

Smoking outside of doors to hospitals is a shitty thing to do. Just at our local hospital it is largely the actions of local chavs.

Only on MN do you get people seriously trying to pretend that social groups don't exist like they're so enlightened.

Just like most people will think it's rude to allow children to run wild in shops and cafes ... Til someone enlightened shows up to say "ooh you meanies, I'm sure you have perfect children".

There's something hilarious about the judgement police because most of what they do is judge other people and tell them off for being judgemental. Grin

JesusMaryAndJosepheen · 08/12/2019 10:23

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SentimentalKiller · 08/12/2019 10:52

chomalungma who should define what a woman is. Women that's who. Not males

JesusMaryAndJosepheen · 08/12/2019 10:58

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BanginChoons · 08/12/2019 11:05

The transphobia on here terrifies me as both a feminist and the parent of a transgender child. The world he is growing up in is a scary place, when all he wants is acceptance to live his life in and present himself to the world how he feels comfortable. My son causes no harm to others, in fact he barely leaves the house due to extreme anxiety. I wish he could feel safe.
I absolutely agree with women having safe spaces. I don't know what the answer is.

tillytrotter1 · 08/12/2019 11:09

More people are being critical of people on low incomes and judging them

There are also lots of people, what I call the hair-shirts, who demonstrate such inverted snobbery against those who have more than they do, or who choose to manage their money differently.

Livelovebehappy · 08/12/2019 11:15

I think people are quite likely on MN to pull the racist card for something that a lot of us may think is inappropriate, and will call them out on it. It’s not being intolerant but just challenging opinion. I think if you post on Aibu, then you are inviting opinion, and if that opinion doesn’t allude to your own, it doesn’t make people intolerant. It’s just different people having different opinions.

ValleyClouds · 08/12/2019 12:05

Again @LolaSmiles I have to agree Smile

A more popular local word is used instead of Chav were I'm from

You see people on here on some parts of the board virtue signalling so hard that nobody should describe someone as a "chav" but though they mightn't use "chav" they almost certainly use "rough" "common" or "lowerclass" to describe the same type of person

Then hop over to Baby Names and watch the virtue signallers go full Hopkins.

Confusedbeetle · 08/12/2019 12:08

@ilovesooty
Absoultely right

Confusedbeetle · 08/12/2019 12:10

The political abuse is off scale on here. There is no place for a reasonable debate. If you are not a labour voter and a remainer whatever you do do not post any opinion unless you feel like being verbally abused. Vitriol central

JesusMaryAndJosepheen · 08/12/2019 12:21

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Smotheroffive · 08/12/2019 12:21

I have literally seen no transphobia at all, ever.

This is a sentiment I can't get my head around and sounds like sexism, against women. I have seen a dramatic rise in that.

There might be an implicit sexist bias in using the word 'tolerant'

Women are as a rule expected to be tolerant I think.

There's nothing wrong not tolerating certain behaviours! Like sexism, and yes, racism or wrongly being accused of homophobia.

IME homophobia has been whipped up into a frenzy and taken a disproportionate amount of air.

I do think there is a growing minority of intolerant people. Growing racism for sure.

It canttbe said that this is necessarily MN specifically, but perhaps just a reflection of the changing society who love nothing more than to hit popular sites like MN with their unpopoular, unwanted and unlooked for vile opinions.

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Smotheroffive · 08/12/2019 12:30

stable-hand!

Ha ha, what an hilariously ironic classist analogy.

I agree, but I would probably just call it ignorant or aggressive, or ill-mannered, as opposed to classist words like 'uncultivated', or 'uncouth'.

I totally agree that there is a shocking amount of abuse [I've seen on MN from remainers toward brexiteers], again though that is going on offline too. It's wholly repulsive and divisive.

astralweaks · 08/12/2019 12:30

I think the anti-American threads and posts are very unpleasant. By and large, they are allowed to remain.

astralweaks · 08/12/2019 12:31

Lord of the Manner...

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Smotheroffive · 08/12/2019 12:34

I have followed some twitter feeds on the apparently awful 'homophobia' and it completely changed my mind about where the aggression and false and overly exaggerated claims are coming from.

I don't care less about what any want to do, so long as it doesn't take away rights in law that women as a traditionally oppressed group has taken centuries to get to, and still not achieved.

Smotheroffive · 08/12/2019 12:38

The kind of abuse thats evident on twitter from those claiming homophobia that I've seen is utterly abhorrent, and would never be tolerated on MN.

I have never seen anything like it here and its horrific and truly eye opening.

Calling for hangings and death threats, its utterly repulsive and I have no idea how or even why twitter facililate and condone it. Twitter are scum.

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thedancingbear · 08/12/2019 12:42

I just knew that if I scrolled to the end, I'd find the thread turned into an all-in trans-bash.

As such, the OP's case is 100% made out. YANBU.

LolaSmiles · 08/12/2019 12:49

Okay, Tuppence, I'll say this slowly...no one is denying that class doesn't exist. The unenlightened you demonise and dehumanise what you consider the underclass. In reality, you're as much a 'chav' as them (according to those who have genuine wealth nd power), give or take a few tens of thousand or even a couple of hundred thou (a pittance in the greater scheme of things) and a penchant for smoking in your pjs.
Oh gosh, how delightfully patronising and misses the point entirely.
Hmm

I'm not saying chavs are unenlightened. I'm saying that most of us in life absolutely acknowledge that social groups exist, will have language to discuss it and will do so...

Meanwhile online there's a certain type of MNer who likes to pretend they are enlightened and would never judge so go around waving their waggy finger and anyone who is honest about entirely normal human responses.

So, for example, they get offended by chav because they'd obviously never consider such a group exists at all or even if they happened to notice that trend they couldn't have a word that explains that observation. Nope. Much mental gymnastics is required to both acknowledge the existence of a subculture whilst making it abundantly clear that nothing negative could be thought about it.
They'd never sit in a cafe and be irritated by a parent allowing their children to run wild because they aren't judgey, in fact they pride themselves on falling over themselves to excuse the rude and inconsiderate behaviour so they can congratulate themselves on how tolerant they are.
They'd never see a child dressed in adult clubwear for a party and say it's inappropriate online because it's much better to pretend online that they'd never bat an eyelid as they're oh so open minded and obviously anyone who expresses reservations needs a word with themselves.

ValleyClouds
You're totally right.

I wonder if the judgement police also have an issue with people identifying subculture groups. Maybe we shouldn't have a word to describe hipsters, or goths either. When I was at university there was a regional word to describe the influx of privately educated affluent students who mixed almost exclusively with people like them. Maybe that word should be banned too after all it's so judgey. In fact any word that acknowledges social groups should be banned or monitored because it's totally dehumanising to acknowledge the groups exist.

Smotheroffive · 08/12/2019 12:53

I think I must've missed something...transbash Hmm. Where?

If this in any way relates to what I've posted, this is proving my point exactly, ha! Over-reaction and calling people intolerant, ha!

Any can go see for themselves the appalling threats made by one side and not the other. It changed my mind overnight about the dynamic.

To be fair, I haven't seen any women campaigning to impinge upon trans spaces. I haven't come across any reports of women hurting trans people.

IHateBlueLights · 08/12/2019 12:56

I think I must've missed something...transbash hmm. Where?

A figment of their imagination. As the rest of us plainly see.

Feminazgul · 08/12/2019 13:00

There has been no 'transbashing' on the thread FFS.

But thanks for perfectly illustrating the point that the so called transphobia on MN is nothing more than spurious bullshit designed to prevent women discussing their concerns.

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