AIBU to be shit scared of BJ winning the next election?

[thentherewerefour]

Not sure how everyone else is doing, but I am just increasingly terrified about the idea that BJ and the likes of Jacob Rees-Morgan, Ian Duncan Smith (god they are just so disgusting ) are going to win this election. Got family in Australia and this morning it was raining ash and people literally can't breathe. The Tories are going to do nothing, zero, nada about climate change. And when I look at my kids I just don't know how we are going to survive another five years. and don't get my started about the state of the kid's school - the teachers are doing their best, but the reality is it's a shit show bc of how many cuts they have had. Friends are going canvassing for Labour and me and DH are doing our bit too - but it all just feels surreal - BJ talks shit, tells lies, and has reinvented himself as "new" when the fucker has been IN GOVT for years. Any got any ideas on how we can turn this around?

YANBU.

I am more scared of JC and momentum getting into Government if they do I am off to Australia because this country will be fucked in 5 years.

I voted remain but I still question if Labour can afford what they promise and what it will do to the economy. But Cons not exempt from same question esp around inequality.

It’s hard to get neutral info when it’s heavily biased by one party’s spin

@Answerthequestion

Do you think when Corbyn is gone, they can go back to being nicely on the right then? Might as well keep the tories.

I don't even understand what you want from Labour? What don't you like about their manifesto?

If you are disabled or poor then the last 10 years have been like 1930s Germany

@MarshaBradyo

Well what we have been doing is not working, so why not try something new.

Labour can't afford what they have promised. The Tories have made horrific cuts. There are no viable alternatives likely to get in. It's a shit show all round.

Another propaganda piece by a first time user. Momentum have got their hands full at the moment trying to make their Dear Leader appear electable.

@Teenangels

Of course, believe what the right wing press tells you. It is easier that way.

@YouJustDoYou

How do you know that they can't afford it?

Faffette that thinking could be what led us to Brexit and leave winning ;

I listen to R4 all day hear a lot from either side, same as on here people scared of the alternative. But rarely do I hear non-partisan economists. I might be missing where to look.

I hear the list of Corbyn’s promises and they sound too heavy on state spending to be realistic.

Although there is an element of inequality rising which concerns me re Cons.

Boris is the only leader prepared to stand up for the UK and tell Sturgeon to get lost with her wretched second independence referendum.
I live in a Scottish marginal and have been out leafleting for the Tories to try and keep our country in one piece.
If you think Tory austerity was bad, an independent Scotland (by the SNP’s own commissioned figures, and confirmed by the IFS) would be even worse, with massive borrowing, benefit cuts and tax rises. They couldn’t afford to underwrite their own financial institutions, which would all have to move to London to remain under the Bank of England’s bail out protection.

I agree the press is to the right generally which doesn’t help.

I’m terrified of Bojo and Brexit. I have GAD. I’ve had several conversations and medications with my doctor.

YANBU

For those worried about the economy and Corbyn, have a read of the Institute for Financial Studies' analysis of the manifestos. They have plenty of issues with Corbyn's manifesto (mainly the level of corporation tax, which they think will be bad for business and therefore everybody). However, they think the Conservative manifesto is basically unaffordable and that promising to freeze taxes is a very dangerous idea, which will probably result in us going into debt.

"It is part of a fundamentally damaging narrative – that we can have the public services we want, with more money for health and pensions and schools – without paying for them. We can’t."

Yes, that's the Conservatives they're taking about, not Labour.

www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/conservative-manifesto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers

Re: the economy, the IFS are very clear that Brexit is the worst-case scenario (particularly a no-deal Brexit, but Brexit with a deal based on Johnson's withdrawal agreement) and that a Labour government is therefore best for the economy. Crucially, their ideal scenario would be a Labour minority coalition government, which is able to stop Brexit but not able to enact the most expensive of its manifesto promises (which they agree are not great for the economy).

Revoking Brexit would lead to the best economic outcome. We assume this would require a Labour-led government which, as well as revoking Brexit, would also implement significant tax and spending increases, an overall fiscal loosening and some tightening of labour market regulations. Interest rates would also rise more quickly. This might result in growth of 2% a year. Crucially, this scenario involves a Labour-led coalition rather than a majority Labour government.

www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14421

So yes. If you care at all about public spending and the economy, don't vote Tory.

@Faffette
I love the labour supporter use of believe what the right wing media press tells you.
I have made up my own mind having read policy plans etc.
Labour tax plan have been shown my John McDonnel as incorrect. The nationalising of water, broadband, rail have been grossly undervalued.
I used to vote labour but not now, their policies are pushing voters like me away.
Hopefully next week JC will resign and we can have a leader that actually represents all not just comrades

I would never vote Tory but prophesying Armageddon in 5 years is a bit OTT.

@MarshaBradyo

Yes, that thinking has let to Brexit, but we are not talking about ideas with no substance. Brexit didn't mean anything. It is like the 4 day week, everyone panicking, it can't be done! Exactly the same happened with maternity leave for instance. The world hasn't come crashing down.

Radio 4 is biased. I would't get information from them.

Best thing to do is get rid of Corbyn. Alot more people would be voting labour if he wasn't leading the side.

Another here terrified that Corbyn will get in. God only hopes he doesn't.

Faffette -The BBC is biased it’s true. I take it with a pinch of salt.

The Labour promises just keep mounting up,it’s too much. Too far left for me.

Tylee that’s interesting

I'm going to vote for hope....not fear.

John McDonnell 12.18 today:
Hence we aim to reform the law to include self/identification

Which means men can identify as women & access female only spaces. No drugs, no surgery just a quick change of clothes, pop on a wig & some makeup & you magically turn into a woman. If this doesn’t scare the shit out of you as a biological female then it damn well should do.

I am more scared of JC than BJ as who exactly knows his policies? Straight answer would do wonders.