AIBU to think that if a man can simply self-ID as a woman....

[Oakenbeach]

.... then there’s no reason he shouldn’t also be able to self-ID as a Native American, a quadriplegic, a child or even a badger, if that’s how “he” feels in “him”self?

Or am I missing something?

[Dolorabelle]

Interestingly the GRA has an exception whereby a women who transition to be a man will not be eligible to inherit certain land and titles, because of sexism

And furthermore, if you are the male heir of a duke or whatever, and go through transition and acquire a GRC, you can still inherit the title and whatever property is entailed in the estate as a transwoman.

That, and the fact that as you point out a transman cannot inherit titles etc given to eldest male heir, tells me ALL I need to know about the position of women in patriarchy and the ways that men will always protect their power.

[Devereux1]

@Dolorabelle - that's a really fascinating fact.

So it undermines even their whole logic.

[HandsOffMyRights]

Dora and, don't forget, any male born can join the Masons. Even ones who claim to be women. The rules are waived for them.

[Dolorabelle]

Yes Devereux and Handsoff - the lack of acceptance that "Transmen are men" for situations which entrench male privilege is really telling.

[HandsOffMyRights]

Sorry to link to The Guardian, but last year, a Dutch man's legal battle to self ID as 20 years younger than his actual age was rejected:

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/03/dutch-court-rejects-emile-ratelband-request-20-years-younger

'In a written ruling on Monday, the court said Dutch law assigned rights and obligations based on age “such as the right to vote and the duty to attend school. If Mr Ratelband’s request was allowed, those age requirements would become meaningless.”

In a press statement, the court said: “Mr Ratelband is at liberty to feel 20 years younger than his real age and to act accordingly. But amending his date of birth would cause 20 years of records to vanish from the register of births, deaths, marriages and registered partnerships. This would have a variety of undesirable legal and societal implications.”

The court said it acknowledged “a trend in society for people to feel fit and healthy for longer, but did not regard that as a valid argument for amending a person’s date of birth”.

How is identifying as the opposite sex any different?

If Mr Ratelband’s request was allowed, those age requirements would become meaningless.”

And if men self Id as women then sex based rights become meaningless.

There's an apt use of 'trend' in this article too.

[Brimful]

Women's sports is a particularly abused area of concern right now.

I feel like a tranwoman with any genuine respect for women wouldn't ever consider competing to try to take a medal or place away from someone born female.

[midnightmisssuki]

I kid you not, I know someone who wants to identify as a blue fish, and people are taking her seriously.

[Devereux1]

I feel like a tranwoman with any genuine respect for women wouldn't ever consider competing to try to take a medal or place away from someone born female.

My first reaction actually, is that any athlete or man with any respect for themselves, wouldn't enter a competition to compete against women.

[CountArthursgroupie]

Oh @rubydoobydoo that sounds great - until meal times.

[Brimful]

My first reaction actually, is that any athlete or man with any respect for themselves, wouldn't enter a competition to compete against women

Absolutely.

[Trewser]

And yet primogeniture is exempt.

[Ereshkigal]

My first reaction actually, is that any athlete or man with any respect for themselves, wouldn't enter a competition to compete against women.

Good point. But I guess it depends whether you get satisfaction from sportsmanship or duper's delight narcissism power trips.

[Dolorabelle]

If anyone is in any doubt about the combination of mental health issues, arrogance and misogyny, they should google

Danielle Muscato and “suck my dick” - just to see how respectful of women and womanhood some leading transactivists are.

Warning: NSFW