Are the conservatives really this popular?

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Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad

Yes the tories are that popular sadly. I think Boris is worse than (or at least just as bad as) Corbyn, and it's weird more people don't think so too. I don't love labour but I really hate the conservatives so I either vote for a smaller party (lib dems or greens) or labour. I live in a bit of a labour echo chamber, I do have some relatives who are Tory. It isn't just Corbyn hating a lot of people don't trust labour with money anymore so think they'll bankrupt the country and leave their kids in debt. I don't think this is the case I think they are being more careful now, but some people will never trust them again. Personally as a public sector worker I would love my 5% pay rise under Labour (plus all the other wonderful things in their manifesto! I earn significantly less than 80k and do not claim married tax allowance so no losses for me) but they just won't win (still going to vote for them, I figure you can't complain about a tory victory if you don't do anything to try to stop it!)

I've always been in favour of electoral reform but used to think there were some significant advantages to FPTP as well: the creation of workable majorities and the way it made it very hard for extremists to get into Parliament. Those have both fucked right off, so there seems no point whatsoever in keeping it now.

I’m proud to vote Conservative, proud to vote against a Labour Party led by extremists, economic illiterates, and anti-Semites

The first part of this sentence doesn't match the end. I quite understand being unwilling to vote for Labour because of antisemitism, but if it is a genuine concern for you, why would you then vote for a party who are quite happy to get into bed with fascists? Do you really think the road the Tories have been down recently is one that's likely to leave Jews unscathed?

People who vote for the Tories should definitely be ashamed. Voting Tory is no longer morally, or socially acceptable

A laughably idiotic post

I would genuinely love to hear what the Tories stand for. Most of the justification for voting them consists of criticism of Labour.

I don't know what the Tory party stands for, full stop. It'll all about not doing stuff.

I don't think this is the case I think they are being more careful now

How can you say that with their spending pledges. Free public transport, free broadband, nationalising everything, no tuition fees, more benefits, more NHS staff, more schools, payrises for public sector. All paid for by a tenner extra tax on higher earners! You think that's being more careful.

As a mum I'm voting for my kids' future - and that can't mean voting for lying, woman abusing Johnson who doesn't even know how many kids he has. And he won't get Brexit done. He will lead us over a Brexit cliff and be a wrecking ball for the country and all that is good about it. And he willdestroy peace in NIreland (where i originally come from) I agree that Corbyn is not a great leader but he has been set up by the smears and lies of the Tory press in many areas. He won't win a majority but the best bet for the future if our kids is a hung parliament where noone will work with Johnson but the other parties work together to start rebuilding the country. We will also get a Funal Say referendum

Do you really think the road the Tories have been down recently is one that's likely to leave Jews unscathed?

Yes I do. Jews aren’t talking about leaving the country if the Tories win, the Jewish Chronicle and prominent Rabbis aren’t publicly pleading with the country to reject the Tories, and the Tories’ oldest Jewish affiliate hasn’t refused to campaign for the party because of their disgust at the antisemitism infesting it.

ALL those things are true of Labour.

It seemed to work when they were privatised. It’s only a reversal of that.
Indeed. In fact privatisation introduced a whole pile of unnecessary complexity. There are armies of people who have the sole task or arguing with each other about who pays compensation when delays and cancellations occur.

Sorry, but I can’t imagine having this lot in charge.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1205279/General-Election-News-Diane-Abbott-Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-BBC/amp

It seemed to work when they were privatised. It’s only a reversal of that.

Railways were shambolic before privatisation. Granted, the privatistion had it's issues, but at least we're now getting modern trains, growth in passenger numbers, line improvements, fewer strikes, better reliability. The younger people just don't remember how run down it all was under state control - strikes at the drop of a hat, they didn't care about cancellations, regular break downs, dirty old unreliable trains. People need to take off their rose tinted spectacles.

How about BT - it could take 6 months to get a phone line installed before privatisation.

“It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.” I will never vote for a man who said that.

Nationalisation is not going to happen because Labour are not going to get a majority. It’s that simple.

The good old days of British Rail - I remember them well.

All this about Tory cutbacks since 2010 - what were they supposed to do? There was no money - combination of global collapse and bad economic management (where's our gold gone Gordon?). I suppose we could have done with the forest of magic money trees at that point really.

Voting Conservative (reluctantly mind you - they are actually too centrist for me). A basic understanding of history and economics helps.
None of my communist friends suspect me!

many people are not as diverse as they think, diversity is not just about different skin colours or sexualities
to be truly diverse you would know
leave and remain voters
conservative/ labour/ lib dem/ brexit party and if in right area SNP or plaid voters
people who are atheists/ deeply religious/ mildly religious and agnostic
people who are on various salaries
ok it is not reasonable to expect city/town/ suburban/ village/rural folk to know each other well but some people are in a bubble and have no comprehension that issues may be different in different places
also some people seem to have the idea if a policy works for them then it would work for everyone else
I live in Scotland here we have 4 candidates via a narrow SNP majority with conservatives second lib dems third and labour 4th
I can perfectly well understand that people can morally and logically vote for any of the 4 parties standing depending on perfectly reasonable views, they don't necessarily accord with my views but that doesn't mean they are wrong and i'm right

It seemed to work when they were privatised. It’s only a reversal of that

If you’d read the thread @Kazzyhoward, you’d have seen that was a response specifically to a question about TUPE.

Frankly the railways couldn’t be more shambolic than they are now. It took my son eight hours to complete a 65 minute journey a couple of weeks ago. It regularly takes him two or three, he files at least one compensation claim a week. Trains are delayed, over crowded and cost more than anywhere else in Europe.

As for phones - come on, please! We must be in a tiny minority that even has a landline any more and it works via our WiFi hub.

I live in the South-east and have a London office. Everyone in my London office despite thinking Boris is a bumbling idiot is voting Conservative, however everyone I know in my borough is voting Labour. I can't predicate which way it will go. My feelings on the Conservatives are clear, hate them and their policies. I can't rely on the group I know personally being a representative sample as I am sure you self-select when it comes to your personal circle so people who have similar values, world views and opinions to yours. So unfortunately it seems the Conservatives are that popular.

I don't know how anyone can vote for a party with Boris Johnson in charge- I know you don't cute for a leader but he's a disaster.

It was only when Labour ditched Clause IV in the 90s that they became electable. Corbyn & Co have such short memories. Planning to nationalise everything again isn't a vote-winner. But every cloud has a silver lining; if Labour suffer a massive defeat, the Momentum crew will be swiftly ditched and a more moderate lot will take over in opposition.

I don't know how anyone can vote for a party with Boris Johnson in charge- I know you don't [vote] for a leader but he's a disaster.

It is interesting you should say that because I think a lot of people are saying to themselves ‘I don’t know how anyone can vote for a party with Jeremy Corbyn in charge’.

But we shall find out soon how many people feel they can vote for Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn as leaders.

Yes I do. Jews aren’t talking about leaving the country if the Tories win, the Jewish Chronicle and prominent Rabbis aren’t publicly pleading with the country to reject the Tories, and the Tories’ oldest Jewish affiliate hasn’t refused to campaign for the party because of their disgust at the antisemitism infesting it.

ALL those things are true of Labour

This essentially amounts to whataboutery. Labour having an anti-Semitism problem doesn't mean others therefore can't. There is plenty of anti-Semitism to go around. It isn't a rare and limited resource, and one of the biggest issues faced by those trying to counter it is the refusal of so many people to accept it as a problem from their part of the political spectrum (ie Corbyn's general attitude).

Look at who the Conservatives have chosen to ally themselves with in the European Parliament, Rees-Mogg's links with the Traditional Britain Group. Johnson's ongoing love affair with Trump, a man who has referred to actual Nazis as good people. This is what the Tories are embedded with, that's the road they're on. These things were not one offs.

I'm a swing voter. I've voted Lib Dems and Labour in the past; I dont trust MPs on any side. I was suspicious that the Torys would use the excuse of needing to impose austerity just to push their own ideological agenda; which they have. However despite this I will have to vote Tory this time. We need some conclusion to Brexit, we just need to 'pull the plaster off' and try to rebuild from whatever the result is. I believe that Labour just want to 'kick the can down the road' rather than getting some sort of resolution. The uncertainty is causing problems for businesses as they can't plan. If we come out of the EU at least they know where they stand with existing trade and what opportunities lost or new there might be. Additionally I think Corbyn is making a big mistake with all the spending plans he has. He would have seemed far more credible if he had focused on education and health. All the other privatisation plans/ broadband freebies etc just aren't thought through properly. They have said its fully costed and extra taxes will only affect lower earners, but that isn't true. They plan to increase taxes on share dividends etc which will wipe millions off pension funds. I really want to be able to vote Labour again in the future, so hope that losing this election will mean a new leader for Labour.

Labour’s antisemitism is so virulent that they are the only political party ever to be formally investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission - except for the BNP!

You go right ahead with your own whataboutery, but there’s no getting around that devastating fact.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/107203/fears-labour-could-‘be-left-bankrupt’-over

I find the level of popularity astonishing abut I can believe it. Both my parents and in-laws (from different parts of the country- one from a labour area the other Tory) hate Corbyn with a passion and will be voting Conservative. One set don’t like Boris but see him as the lesser of two evils. The other thinks ‘he’ll get Brexit done’ and regurgitates the campaign slogans. I think both could have voted Lib Dem but the brexiteer set of parents hate Jo Swinson and the other set seem to have swallowed the conservative campaign leaflets about getting Brexit done.

We need some conclusion to Brexit, we just need to 'pull the plaster off' and try to rebuild from whatever the result is. I believe that Labour just want to 'kick the can down the road' rather than getting some sort of resolution.

Leaving the EU is not going to provide any kind of conclusion to Brexit. We will become embroiled in years and years of interminable trade talks. Leaving starts that process, not ends it. It kicks the can down the road. If you think the last 3.5 years have been godawful, there's plenty more where that came from.

I'm against leaving the EU but would be willing to consider supporting a resolution that would actually allow us to pull said plaster away and finish the job, even if it did make us poorer. Just to end the misery. No such resolution is on offer. Not one of the May deal, Johnson deal or No Deal provides it.

The closest thing we have to the ability to pull off the plaster and draw a line under it all is to revoke Article 50, and that's not exactly going to put the matter to bed either. David 'Pandora' Cameron, ladies and gentlemen!