Are the conservatives really this popular?

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Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad

If anyone feels like getting out of their echo chamber, John Harris' anywhere but Westminster series on the guardian is good at talking to people about politics in a more refreshing way.

It's like the story of the elephant and the blind men where each says an elephant is like a trunk or leg or whatever - politics is seen through a completely different lens by different people.

its odd that people still vote conservative. they treat the disabled and sick terribly.

I just think at the end of the day people vote for what benefits them, not the greater good. Only on mn people are falling over themselves to tell you how great they are but reality is different.

The fact that the Labour Party members cant take on board the reason they are unpopular is on the whole down to Corbyn astounds me.

If they are that blinkered how can they be trusted to run the economy.

justanotherlurker
What was that about?
Are you a contender for Pseud's corner?

Not encountered them before @Elodie2019? Some of the most entertaining posts here. They learn a new word and repeatedly shoehorn it into a meaningless word salad. Anyone who tries to reason with them is told they’re an intellectual pigmy.

The real problem with MN is that it’s impossible to have any kind of rational discussion without hysterical posters who can only communicate in sound bites pouring in. And there are those on both sides, six of one and half dozen of the other.

Nobody admits to voting Conservative because it isn't woke in any way.

Children are starving under austerity. It boggles my mind that people are willing to overlook this and vote in a government with this track record. If you earn over £80k and resent the extra tenner a month in tax to help prevent this, you really need to have a word with yourself

If I believed that the labour plans were well thought out and costed then I could support them however £10 a month from higher earners is not going to make an impact. I can not support the current labour leadership as I have no faith in them. I will vote Tory as we are a key marginal seat but mine is a negative not a positive vote.

Should probably also point out that I would not be personally affected by the tax over £80k I just don't trust labour with the economy (don't really trust Tory either but I don't think they'll screw it up as badly)

Anyone who votes Conversative should be ashamed of themselves. Their policies have brought this country to its knees.

Under the Tories we have seen the imposition of the bedroom tax, cuts to the disability welfare budgets, the sale of services that used to be provided under the NHS to private companies, housing benefits for 18-21 yr olds scrapped, the universal credit debacle leaving families penniless and indebted, slashing legal aid, limiting child tax credit to 2 children, cuts to state school budgets so that schools have to send begging letters to parents etc etc etc...

All of these things hit the poor as well as women and children the hardest. Homelessness as increased several-fold, child poverty is at its highest levels, waiting times are the longest they've ever been, in-work poverty is increasing and so on...

I know people who vote for the Tories unfortunately, but I stay away from them. Anyone who votes for the Tories can only be a despicable person who doesn't care about others in our society. Voting Tory is no longer morally acceptable and we need to highlight it as socially unacceptable, in order to see change for the better in our society.

Doesn't matter. If you want to change it, go and volunteer for your nearest marginal. Put a poster up, bundle some leaflets and deliver them, go out door knocking, WhatsApp your friends. There's too much at stake to speculate about and lots you can do to swing things in the next 9 days.

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anyone who votes Conservative should be ashamed

I am proud to be a Conservative. And I am certainly not going to be listening to any sanctimonious moral lectures from the supporters of a party with Iraq on its CV. Did that get vaporized down the memory hole? And no. Wearing the hair shirt that is Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t atone.....

I think people expecting a Labour majority on December 12th are as deluded as their policies

People who vote for the Tories should definitely be ashamed. Voting Tory is no longer morally, or socially acceptable.

Under the Tories we have seen the imposition of the bedroom tax, cuts to the disability welfare budgets, the sale of key departments of the NHS around the country to private companies, housing benefits for 18-21 yr olds scrapped, the universal credit debacle leaving families penniless and indebted, slashing legal aid, limiting child tax credit to 2 children, cuts to state school budgets so that schools have to send begging letters to parents. Homelessness is increasing because of their heartless policies, NHS waiting times are the highest they've ever been, in-work poverty is increasing etc etc etc...

Those (and much more) are the facts and they show why anyone who votes for the Tories should be ashamed.

@winonah, why did you do that? All you do with that kind of insulting vitriol is discredit the valid point you’re making. It’s completely counterproductive.

Has anyone seen Labour seriously address who will run all these businesses they are planning to buy back from the private sector? It's one thing to borrow all that money and buy them but it's quite another to run utilities, broadband, the railways competently. Where are all the public servants who will do this?

I feel that despite 'austerity' cuts (in quotes because the Tories have reduced the rate of growth of public spending rather than actually reducing the total in real terms), things could get a whole lot worse for the poorer people in society if there is no reliable electricity, water etc. And it would only take a tiny bit of messing about with the trains to basically shut the whole south east down (where most business takes place and most tax is raised).

Where are all the public servants who will do this?

Already working in those industries, they’ll be TUPE’d across.

@winonah
Proud to vote conservative here. You are just making yourself sound batshit for not being able to respect other people’s views. What’s liberal about that?!

I was out for lunch the other day with a Green party member, 2 Lib Dem canvassers a Tory councillor and a labour voter. All friends despite political differences, because we are not twats.

Most people move in pretty unrepresentative circles, however they plan to vote, but it's also that our electoral system creates parliamentary majorities where they don't exist within the electorate. If the Tories get perhaps 40% of the vote and a working majority, this won't reflect the absolute hatred felt by most of those who voted for someone else. That's FPTP. The same would be true if Corbyn ended up PM.

And whatever happens on 12th December, it's almost certain that we will see parties with fairly substantial support get few or no seats and parties with a much lower chunk of votes cast get more seats. The Brexit Party probably won't win a single seat, but their votes could well be into the millions. The Lib Dems too always get a much higher percentage of votes cast than seats won. At the other end of the spectrum, the SNP will probably get 50 MPs from about a million votes cast. The vagaries of FPTP mean whenever anyone gets a majority, they're not actually as popular as the number of seats would suggest.

And I am certainly not going to be listening to any sanctimonious moral lectures from the supporters of a party with Iraq on its CV
So the Conservative Party, then, the vast majority of whose MPs voted in favour of war in Iraq.

The vagaries of FPTP mean whenever anyone gets a majority, they're not actually as popular as the number of seats would suggest.
Totally agree FPTP is an utter shit heap and an embarrassing anachronistic joke.

That is a lot of TUPEing! I would not fancy that job. Who's going to do the admin for that then? How many employees are affected? Do some of them have shares? I just don't see how it could be done without gigantic amounts of disruption.

If we hadn’t had FPTP we probably would never have had the EU referendum

People who vote for the Tories should definitely be ashamed. Voting Tory is no longer morally, or socially acceptable.

In just over a week you’ll see just how acceptable it is to vote Tory.

I’m proud to vote Conservative, proud to vote against a Labour Party led by extremists, economic illiterates, and antisemites.

Winonah - Voting Tory is no longer morally, or socially acceptable

We clearly travel in different social (and moral) circles.

If Corbyn, McDonnall, Thornbury, RLB, Abbott, Ian Lavery....etc weren't there it would be a landslide Labour victory.

Absolutely. I can't believe Labour have such poor leadership. They're simply not electable with those at the helm. Are they so blind not to realise??

In the past 4 decades, the only Labour govt has been a moderate/centralist one with a popular leader, Blair. Unless Labour want to remain in the wilderness for generations to come, they need to emulate that at the next GE and kick out the lefties/extremists/momentum etc.

I just don't see how it could be done without gigantic amounts of disruption

It seemed to work when they were privatised. It’s only a reversal of that.