Are the conservatives really this popular?

[LabourHere]

Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad

I honestly believe voting labour is an oxymoron. It may help people in the short term but long term look forward to recession higher taxes for all and strikes. And the younger generation having to dig them out of austerity AGAIN !

You don’t understand the meaning of oxymoron. And the rest of your post is just parroting tired old lines so well worn as to be meaningless.

What are conservative voters opinions on the tory treatment of disabled people in their years in government. Genuine question. Seems Tory voters only seem to explain their voting preference with 'well, I don't like JC', rather than tell us what's good about conservative policy.

I'd be happy with that scenario thecat but I really can't comprehend how a Labour gov is in any way terrifying compared to a Tory gov led by Johnson.

Johnson literally cannot stop lying - no one can believe a single word he says, he believes in nothing other than his own gratification, he is a moral black hole and doesn't give a shit about ordinary people and the things we care about. There's just no comparison at all.

So, a universal basic income? Set at what level? Per capita? And with an enhanced amount payable for disability, because living with a disability costs more. I can see pitfalls, but also an appeal -- with the proviso that it takes place alongside wholesale revision of the taxation/benefit system.

The principle of a universal basic income is something that does need to be properly thought about with increasing automation of jobs etc.

Much of the cost would be offset by no longer having long, complex processes and appeals to apply for benefits, the admin costs of sanctioning people, the utter shit show that UC has been etc etc.

It would inevitably involve a complete rethink of the benefit and tax systems.

And also of the value of jobs that are utterly indispensable to a civilised society, can't be done by machines eg healthcare, childcare and care work and are at the moment pitifully paid.

"I'm just hoping for a hung parliament with centrist parties holding the balance of power."

The 'centre' is no longer the centre. Our politics have swung so far to the Right, with Tory party stalwarts such as Ken Clarke and Heseltine denouncing the Tory Party they had served as Ministers over decades, that 'the centre' have moved right as well.

The UK Tory Party, it's Cabinet, is now pretty much a far right party.

Whereas Corbyn's Labour, so often condemned as 'far left', offers policies considered merely to be mainstream Social Democrat in
Scandinavia.

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Yes, we've come to a position where wanting people not to be sleeping on the streets, for children not to be hungry, for people to be able to access healthcare when they need it and for families not to be spending their lives in B&B accommodation is seen as 'far left'.

I have yet to hear any suggestions as to how another Conservative government might change this, or indeed any suggestion that they give any priority to these issues.

Whereas Corbyn's Labour, so often condemned as 'far left', offers policies considered merely to be mainstream Social Democrat in Scandinavia.

Then by all means let Corbyn fuck off to Scandinavia and be “mainstream” there. Here in Britain, he is indeed extreme.

Only because the Tories have gone further right than they’ve ever been in my life time. We need Corbyn here, the work’s already done in Scandinavia.

As a 'left-wing' Tory, I also think the Tories stink, but I would get behind a party that was committed to social justice. I don't want to vote for economic illiterates, aka the current iteration of Labour. Voting Tory, but with a peg on my nose on Thursday.

Do people think @Labourhere that posts on MN or Twitter or wherever, really changes anyone's mind on the election?

I am fed up with reading rants on social media and in all honesty they do no IMO make any difference whatsoever.

I also think it's rude to comment on people's voting preferences- keep your opinions for that cross on the ballot paper.

But to answer your post YES, I know dozens of people voting Tory and my MP has a majority of over 20K.

@XingMing - As someone who spent years in Europe... I can tell you Corbyn’s plans are not far-fetched. Some of the things are already being done in other countries.

The UK has the same affliction as the US, where Republicans cower in fear of anything Bernie Sanders or AOC suggest... despite those policies already existing elsewhere!

British society is losing or has lost all of it compassion for the less fortunate. This lack of care has increased during the 9 years of Conservative rule. If Johnson wins this will only continue.

Please use your vote on Thursday.
Women (and men) have suffered and died to give us a vote, use it.

Is it self interest to not want to watch less fortunate people suffer unnecessarily?

I personally don't know anyone stupid enough to vote for JC.
The only way to get him out is to vote for the conservatives and then hopefully he'll step down/get thrown out. Then in 5 years time we can have a more centrist labour government.

I think our political system works best when we have a rotating 3 term moderate labour then moderate conservative government. Extreme politics help no-one.

I personally don't know anyone stupid enough to vote for JC Firstly, let me introduce myself, secondly I know very few people either cruel enough or gullible enough to vote for Johnson. Obviously they are out there but I don't know them.

my MP has a majority of over 20K

They may have done in 2017. I suspect it will be considerably smaller next Friday.

Have none of you Tory voters seem the picture of a 4 year old on the floor of the emergency department in Leeds’s?

What is wrong with you? Where and how did you leave you conscious behind?

I’ve worked in the NHS for nearly 30 years. Believe me when I say front line care is dangerously unsafe. I am talking third world conditions.

You vote Tory next week - you should be utterly ashamed of yourself

They may have done in 2017. I suspect it will be considerably smaller next Friday.

As long as it’s not reduced to zero, do you know what that means? The overall efficiency of the Conservative vote is increasing, in the Midlands and North, for example...

Surely overall efficiency means more votes everywhere? If you’re popping up with gems like that you must be getting desperate.

Everyone I know that has discussed it irl are voting conservatives. I happened to mention to two different people yesterday that I was probably going to vote labour and bloody hell it was like I said I was going to bbq a puppy. I was accused of being stupid, that I was supporting lazy cunts who didn't want to work and that it was a selfish vote that meant my kids future was fucked. They seemed to blame all the austerity measures on the fact that labour overspent when Blair was in power and so we are still paying it back. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

What is wrong with you? Where and how did you leave you conscious behind?

One photo which we do not know what is behind it or even if that family have given permission for its use. It could be a Labour party staged photo for all anyone knows.

where was your sense when T Blair opened the gates to migration which has impacted on the NHS- medical tourism.

where were you when it was reported that the NHS was buying in packs of paracetamol of £3 ?

where were you when people on the shop floor in hospitals said that it wasn't about money it was about how the money they had was being misspent? We had posts here last week from nurses saying drs are paid huge amounts of money for attending committee meetings - wasted money.

This is in the hands of hospital trusts and most the the managers and CEOs are useless.

And how do you possibly think it's going to be funded better by Labour - every single Labour government has left the country bankrupt and this one is the far left of left. Do the economics.

Surely overall efficiency means more votes everywhere? If you’re popping up with gems like that you must be getting desperate.

Please be around on election night. We’ll see who’s desperate then