Are the conservatives really this popular?

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Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad

And they trust Johnson?

Wow.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50679252

As I read today, someone once told Mrs Thatcher that you don't have to like the plumber, you just need to know he can fix the loo. Same with political parties, you don't have to like them, but you vote for the one that you think will get the job done.

Yes and most voters are pretty sensible and look at policies and the effect on the country. I trust them to come to the right decision and keep Corbyn out but do vote. Try to vote early in the day so you don't forget or get too busy with work and children. Every vote counts. We Tories cannot just sit back and assume it is all in the bag - get out there and vote.

I live in a Labour stronghold thank god.

Most voters do nothing of the sort. You only have to see the ridiculous things some of them say in vox pops for that to be apparent - oh, and on here obviously.

I'm a tory, I don't bother talking about it at work as most of them are woke. I try to say nothing. Some of your friends may be silent, others may even say positive things about other parties and then vote tory on the day and even say they voted labour. It's sad that we can't have grown up respectful conversations about politics. To me security and economy come first, education close behind and Gove's reforms are working. There is a strong change your friendship group isn't balanced on a par with the UK population as a whole.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed
maybe it depends on the discipline? Allied Health and doctors are almost exclusively labour voters in my experience. As are our governing bodies - and the educational system we were trained under.

maybe it depends on the discipline? Allied Health and doctors are almost exclusively labour voters in my experience. As are our governing bodies - and the educational system we were trained under.

And the more they earn, the more hypocritical they are re paying tax. They have no qualms about trading through a limited company to avoid paying PAYE/NIC on their earnings, nor "employing" their spouse in the company to divert some of their income thus avoiding the 62% or 47% tax rates. Yet the same people want everyone else to pay more tax to pay their wages. Like I say, hypocritical.

I’m talking about working in the NHS. I can’t speak intelligently about private practice as I don’t work within it. But yes, from a medical perspective, private practice has some questionable ethical practices.

Even in the NHS doctors are currently refusing to do work unless the state engages in tax avoidance and pays them the equivalent of the gross amount of the employer pension contribution straight into their hands as they have earned so much more than most people they are up against the upper pensions cap.

Ah. The unpaid overtime debacle? I think even the most brilliant capitalist can’t force people to work overtime and not pay them for it...or actually pay them less for it.

The way that the NHS pays its doctors is (or should be) a scandal and shining example of the complacency that characterises the NHS, Inland Revenue and overarching state apparatus.

The government produces a complicated tax structure, creates exemptions either in the interest of 'fairness' or special interest groups, unintended consequences abound. The NHS sees first hand how it perverts the decision making process and just works around it by cultivating cosy agency arrangements where they wind up paying non-NHS personnel 2/3/4/5/ times as much as they'd pay their own if they weren't stuck in the tax trap zone where they don't make any money.

Which is partly why I just roll my eyes when I hear how we should just pour more money in the NHS.

I agree. Sort of. Services are shut down unless a locum is sourced and then paid an extortionate salary to plug the gap, and generally do a sub-standard job. If the employed staff were treated fairly in the first place, there wouldn’t be a gap to fill as they wouldn’t have to seek employment elsewhere. As it is, I’m (or we’re) losing colleagues weekly as they’re moving abroad to escape the current political climate.

But every vote doesn't count, that one of the many problems with the FPTP system.

It doesn't matter whether I vote or not or who I vote for because the same MP will be re-elected in my constituency.

Anyway, my original point was that the general consensus with Doctors and AHP’s is that a labour government would be better for the NHS. I cannot speak for all of the NHS. However I am not naive enough to expect anyone to listen to me or my colleagues. If they did, brexit wouldn’t have happened and we wouldn’t be ten years into a conservative government.

Unfortunately, the UK has many political parties, but it's really a two-party system like in the US. People' are fixated on Labour vs Tories.

I have prayed time and again for David Miliband's return. Labour would easily win with him at the helm. But alas...

Yes, the NHS undoubtedly needs significant reform.

A fortune could be saved on 'consultants' if decision-makers actually listened to the people who have been working in it for years.

There is no doubt that Johnson does not share this restorative approach to the NHS, and that the chances of decent healthcare being available at the point of need will be far, far higher with a Labour government.

For God’s sake, David Milliband became a minor figure in history ten years ago! What’s the point of hankering for what might have been? We are where we are. 72% of 18-24 year olds intend voting Labour, the current leadership doesn’t seem to put them off.

Because Labour are so good at functional logistics and running the economy????

To be fair neither of them seem to be great at running the economy. And I don’t know what “functional logistics” means.

Swirls1111 I work in mental health.

It’s the Corbyn issue not so much the Labour Party

I am not surprised such high numbers intend voting labour - them getting to the polling station is something quite different

I think that is probably around the usual percentage of that age group that vote or prefer Labour’s politics many change as they get older and have more responsibilities

I think that is probably around the usual percentage of that age group that vote or prefer Labour’s politics many change as they get older and have more responsibilities

So they’re young and stupid? I’ve voted Labour all my life. It’s 47 years since my first vote and it’s not changing any time soon.

Stupid young people ay..

I'm getting on a bit and the older I get I've become more left wing not less.

I find the same - I expect someone will be along to trot out the old quote about being a fool if you're still voting Left after 30.

When I was younger it was more of a gut reaction, now I understand and empathise much more with the reality of the harm the Tory government has done to so many people in so many ways.

And that's nothing compared to the catastrophe that a Johnson Government will be