Are the conservatives really this popular?

[LabourHere]

Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad

It's not even empathy.

It's cold, hard logic and self interest.

A more equal society is an orderly, healthy society.

Looking after vulnerable people (even the non-cute ones like teenage boys with MH problems, smelly old alcoholics, struggling mothers who scream and swear at the kids) and you have less ill health, poverty and less crime.

It's logic but the right got sick of experts..

Alsohuman

Where did I say young people are stupid I said people as they get older have more responsibilities

When people have more responsibilities their views often change their children’s security becomes more important and what party will provide a more stable society

Some people may become more left wing but its not a new phenomenon for young voters to be more left wing it was the same when I was young then many drift off for a number of reasons

And most people also form more reasonable and mature ideas as they get older and do not think that all Tory voters are cold hearted and only vote for their own interests and all Labour voters are kinder and morally superior

Obviously some don’t

And most people also form more reasonable and mature ideas as they get older and do not think that all Tory voters are cold hearted and only vote for their own interests and all Labour voters are kinder and morally superior

More reasonable and mature kind of implies previous unreasonableness and immaturity, ergo stupid. Whatever else you might say about Tory voters, surely it’s indisputable that they’re motivated by self interest, the numbers of “I don’t want to pay more tax” posts are a fair indicator.

I know what you mean OP. I look at my Facebook and think it is going to be a huge left victory and then I see the polls and think what?! My friend pointed out that I have left leaning friends and read left leaning articles. Where I live there is generally a 10,000 + conservative majority. It isn't going to change.

Whatever else you might say about Tory voters, surely it’s indisputable that they’re motivated by self interest

And when Labour supporters want Labour to “redistribute” hundreds of billions of pounds of other people’s money to them, how is that not the epitome of self-interest?

And when Labour supporters want Labour to “redistribute” hundreds of billions of pounds of other people’s money to them, how is that not the epitome of self-interest?

No, it's different.

And when Labour supporters want Labour to “redistribute” hundreds of billions of pounds of other people’s money to them, how is that not the epitome of self-interest?

Based on the false premise that every Labour voter is a recipient. It wouldn’t be just “other people’s” money, some of it would be mine.

Based on the false premise that every Labour voter is a recipient. It wouldn’t be just “other people’s” money, some of it would be mine.

Oh please - the vast majority of Labour voters would be net recipients of Labour’s bribes. Don’t be disingenuous.

Tory policies do not result in stability.

Riots every time they get in, plus a rise in general crime and antisocial behaviour.

Why would you vote Tory if you wanted stability and security? Flummoxed!

@alsohuman

Do you understand the concept of net contributor?

Not every tax payer is a net contributor. A single mum on 16k a year, with 2 kids will be claiming a lot more than she contributes. That’s before the cost of healthcare / schooling. So yes, she’s paying tax and NI but is a net recipient of other people’s money.

Don’t be so fucking patronising @Demelzathespud.

Well said, Demelzathespud.

Oh please - the vast majority of Labour voters would be net recipients of Labour’s bribes. Don’t be disingenuous.

Or, a future apparatchik e.g Director of Integrating Assets

Haven't read the whole thread but in answer to the OP I only know one person who is voting Labour and they are only doing it because they will never vote for anyone else. Every single other person at work and in my friendship group is voting Tory and many of them used to vote Labour.

Single mum on 16k pa with two kids could well have been a net contributor at some point in her life, and may well go to be a net contributor in the future, in terms of PAYE and benefits.

One of her children may grow up to be a doctor who creates a medicine that saves the life of someone who was a net contributor at the time of said child's birth and is now a net recipient as they are claiming a state pension.

@thehorse

No, she’s never going to pay all the benefits back in her minimum wage job.

More reasonable and mature kind of implies previous unreasonableness and immaturity, ergo stupid

The comment you responded to was not about who you vote for but how some perceive people who vote Tory or Labour.

Anyone who thinks along the lines that all Tory voters are cold hearted and only vote Tory because of their own self interest and Labour voters are kinder and morally superior do lack critical thinking skills - when you are young can be put that down to naivety when you are older it’s just plan stupid

Single mum on 16k pa with two kids could well have been a net contributor at some point in her life, and may well go to be a net contributor in the future, in terms of PAYE and benefits.

This is statistically unlikely

One of her children may grow up to be a doctor who creates a medicine that saves the life of someone who was a net contributor at the time of said child's birth and is now a net recipient as they are claiming a state pension.

Also unlikely

There's nothing wrong with being a net taker, most people are, but quite rightly some have pointed out that Labour voters are no more altruistic than Tory voters, in the main they're just looking at their own bottom line.

I’m lucky I’m in top 5% earners, just turned 50 and will keep voting Labour - as do many of my friends despite the wide held view that we would flip Tory eventually. I do work in public sector and see the results of cuts to NHS /education/ social care. And I didn’t sign up for street homelessness/ child and food poverty. I am ( unsurprisingly ) a remainer and firmly believe that getting out of the EU will disproportionality affect those most affected by austerity already. I believe Brexit to be a vanity project of the Tory party and the loss of honest politics dismays me.
For me and many friends in a fortunate position the tax position is very simple - during this period of austerity my charitable contributions ( which again are of benefit to me by lowering my tax bill) have rocketed - I now give about 3k a year to try to do my bit by supporting the Trussell Trust and others. I would much rather give that money in direct taxation. I’m not trying to virtue signal and would prefer a different Labour leader but feel the best way of decreasing inequality by top earners paying more tax is the basis of a decent society

*plain stupid

@handmedownqueen

So you are also looking at your own bottom line? You vote labour to ensure that your own job and pension are safe. No matter who pays for it.

I'm amused that anyone would prefer their money go to the Inland Revenue than a charity, where you get to move your money to another one if they get caught mismanaging your money.

Why is that scenario unlikely @EntropyRising?

What about the lower earners paying more tax under Labour?

What about them?