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Are the conservatives really this popular?

999 replies

LabourHere · 02/12/2019 20:57

Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad Sad Wine

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Justanotherlurker · 04/12/2019 22:38

Well I for one am looking forward to the Tories getting rid of the need for food banks, having a major impact on child poverty, ensuring our NHS has enough staff, making sure that I can see a GP without waiting for weeks, ensuring that DS's school has enough teachers instead of seeing them leave, and to improvements in the social care system to cope with our ageing population.

Another one c+p activist comments.

Totally not an activist, not addresses anything just go for the emotional argument.

chomalungma · 04/12/2019 22:41

Another one c+p activist comments

I thought that one up all by myself Grin

Totally not an activist, not addresses anything just go for the emotional argument

Because emotion is an effective way to make people change their minds. Or give them pause for thought.

You don't need to address issues, You just need soundbites

"Take back control, Get Brexit done"

If an activist is someone who is trying to get people not to vote Conservative and is using the internet to do that, then yes, that makes me an activist.

But no one is telling me to do this. I am not a member of a party.

I have seen the damage that the Conservatives have done and I don't want any more of it.

Logjam · 04/12/2019 22:42

Eh? @Justanotherlurker can you explain your last comment?

Codywolf · 04/12/2019 22:47

Most of the people I talk to at work are voting conservative and I think I will as well

My partner and I have worked hard in minimum wage jobs to buy a home and worry about labour winning

Logjam · 04/12/2019 22:51

My partner and I have worked hard in minimum wage jobs to buy a home and worry about labour winning Why?

Pixxie7 · 05/12/2019 02:00

But the tories caused all of this with their cuts.

Spamantha · 05/12/2019 03:25

Okay, I might regret asking but someone's going to have to explain what on earth GCHQ has to do with anything...

Kazzyhoward · 05/12/2019 08:08

But the tories caused all of this with their cuts.

In the elections won by the Tories, even Labour were promising pretty harsh public spending cuts, some analysts suggesting they were worse than the Tory proposals. The country was running a deficit of over £100 billion per year - that was unsustainable and all major parties knew that massive spending cuts were necessary to reduce that.

Ed Milliband said he would cut public spending in most departments, year on year, until the deficit was eliminated. That's pretty similar to what the Tories have done.

Xenia · 05/12/2019 08:15

Cody, that is very wise. Labour might pretend its plans will only affect the rich, but for a start they will take 10% of shares probably not at market value from companies and give workers in theory up to £500 a year but they won't give the shares to the workers themselves. The companies from whom they take the 10% are those in which many workers' pensions are invested in. They will also nationalise some companies entirely and many other proposals which are likely to hit ordinary hard working people very hard.

They are very likely to introduce some kind of capital/property tax on those who own homes at some stage too.

I am hoping the British public will be too sensible to vote in Corbyn but we shall see. I hope everyone remembers to vote, partiuclarly those who vote Conservative.

ReadtheSmallPrint · 05/12/2019 08:23

The companies from whom they take the 10% are those in which many workers' pensions are invested in.

Then there’s the increased tax on dividends on top of the financial transaction tax. All this is going to massively hit pension funds. The ‘average’ worker nowadays does not have a public sector defined benefit pension. The value and purchasing power of their pension pots is going to be slashed.

To add to this, many large companies still have liabilities for their old ‘final salary’ schemes - largely axed in the early 2000s. They will have to put more money into these funds to maintain the required levels of ‘surplus’. These costs will be passed straight on to the consumer.

Kazzyhoward · 05/12/2019 08:43

All this is going to massively hit pension funds.

Yes, but Labour don't understand. Brown irreparably damaged pension funds with his dividend tax credit changes - one of the first things he did when he became Chancellor. It's what happens when you let jealousy & envy collide with a lack of common sense and understanding of how things work. Labour can't see beyond their clouds of "rich=bad" and just can't be bothered to see the reality that tens of millions of individuals have their pensions invested in "naughty" big companies, including millions of public sector workers, clergy, etc. You really can't run a country on soundbites and twitter comments.

PrittSticky · 05/12/2019 08:58

Okay, I might regret asking but someone's going to have to explain what on earth GCHQ has to do with anything

I’m fairly sure the poster meant CCHQ - aqa Conservative Party headquarters.

Unless they’re suggesting that our national intelligence service is covertly working for the Tories...

Gin96 · 05/12/2019 09:08

And again the pound is rallying on a Conservative win. I wonder what will happen to the £ if we wake up on Friday 13th and Labour have won?

With a week to go until the general election, predictions of a Conservative victory are pushing the pound higher.

Sterling has hit a fresh 31-month high against the euro this morning, touching €1.185 for the first time since May 2017. It’s also continuing to climb against the US dollar, touching $1.314 - a seven-month high.

Traders are increasingly confident that Boris Johnson will be returned to Downing Street, probably with a working majority that will allow him to push his Brexit deal through parliament by 31 January.

With a week to go until the general election, predictions of a Conservative victory are pushing the pound higher.

Sterling has hit a fresh 31-month high against the euro this morning, touching €1.185 for the first time since May 2017. It’s also continuing to climb against the US dollar, touching $1.314 - a seven-month high.

Traders are increasingly confident that Boris Johnson will be returned to Downing Street, probably with a working majority that will allow him to push his Brexit deal through parliament by 31 January.

Xenia · 05/12/2019 09:18

I certainly don't want any Tory voter on here to be complacent. Every vote counts. Do vote. Don't just assume a good majority is guaranteed. if you have friends who aren't interested or cannot be bothered persuade them to vote conservative and go to the polling booth with them .

elprup · 05/12/2019 09:19

I was tempted to vote Labour, but as someone who’s “just about managing”, on a low wage with a big mortgage and very little spare cash, I do really worry about increases in tax further down the line and what it could mean for my financial situation. I don’t want to lose my home!

That said, if it was 100% guaranteed that putting more money into the NHS would definitely improve things, I’d be happy to pay a bit more tax. However, I find it so hard to trust/believe that politicians are competent enough to fix things. I worry that the extra funds would simply be wasted, wouldn’t make any noticeable difference to the situation and that I’d be worse off for no reason.

donotknowhownottomind · 05/12/2019 09:24

Apparently they are this popular, but they wouldn’t be if Labour were a better opposition, which currently they aren’t. (However I would pick Labour over the shameful Dickensian inequality which we now have in this country.)

And if we got rid of FPTP it would be all to play for, and the undemocratically unrepresented centre would finally have a voice.

Dongdingdong · 05/12/2019 09:29

Perhaps she's occupied making arrangements for her son's defence against the charges brought?

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/diane-abbott-son-james-arrested-charged-assaulting-police-a4304306.html

I wasn’t aware of this - thanks for the link.

Alsohuman · 05/12/2019 09:48

if you have friends who aren't interested or cannot be bothered persuade them to vote conservative and go to the polling booth with them

No, please don’t do this. By all means encourage them to take an interest, do some basic research and impress on them how important it is to vote.

Just the fact that you’re suggesting this makes me think the Tories are getting a little bit desperate @Xenia.

BovaryX · 05/12/2019 09:59

I worry that the extra funds would simply be wasted

John McDonnell and his buddies are incapable of addressing state sector waste because they don’t believe it exists. They are also incapable of grasping the fact that jacking taxes lowers tax receipts because wealth is mobile. Tax rates over 50 per cent are obscene. Labour will redistribute to whomever they deem worthy and their policies will create unintended consequences that they are too blinkered to predict.

CendrillonSings · 05/12/2019 10:03

Just the fact that you’re suggesting this makes me think the Tories are getting a little bit desperate

How big is the Labour landslide going to be?

Alsohuman · 05/12/2019 10:06

How big is the Labour landslide going to be?

About as big as the Tory landslide. Anyone remotely in touch with reality knows the results will be a tiny Tory majority or a hung Parliament.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 05/12/2019 10:17

There won’t be a Labour landslide this election or under a left to the party leader regardless of how could he/she is as an opposition leader

Likely Tories shall have a majority not a landslide and once again Labour in opposition

Dongdingdong · 05/12/2019 10:26

Anyone remotely in touch with reality knows the results will be a tiny Tory majority or a hung Parliament.

Amazing how you can predict the outcome with such certainty. Perhaps you should become a pollster. Could you let us know Saturday’s Lottery numbers as well please?

ColourMagic · 05/12/2019 11:00

Xenia wrote: "They are very likely to introduce some kind of capital/property tax on those who own homes at some stage too."

So Xenia says Cody would be wise to vote Conservative, based on Xenia's fantasy about Labour future policies. That's scaremongering. "Very likely to at some stage" and actual Labour policy, are two different things.

Alsohuman · 05/12/2019 11:01

I’m happy to take bets @Dongdingdong.

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