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Are the conservatives really this popular?

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LabourHere · 02/12/2019 20:57

Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad Sad Wine

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Devereux1 · 04/12/2019 12:04

What's happened to this thread? Confused

Kazzyhoward · 04/12/2019 12:09

People who are voting Tory to try to force change in Labour are acting in bad faith and inflicting damage on others out of naked self-interest and that is very wrong.

No, they're voting Tory so that the country isn't ruined by Corbyn, Abott and ODonell who appear happy to cause mayhem and probably bankruptcy just to appease their Momentum paymasters.

ArseDarkly · 04/12/2019 12:25

And what about the Tory paymasters? The chaos of Brexit? The sell-off of the NHS? Crisis in our institutions? Russian collusion? Misconduct in Public Office?

That's all just by-the-by as long as Labour has a leadership change? Ridiculous

ColourMagic · 04/12/2019 12:27

"...they're voting Tory so that the country isn't ruined by Corbyn, Abott and ODonell who appear happy to cause mayhem and probably bankruptcy just to appease their Momentum paymasters."

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Letter from 163 economists to the Financial Times, backing Labour's policies as vital to get the economy working again.

Signatories include David Blanchflower, who is a former member of the Bank of England's interest rate-setting Monetary Policy Committee. The letter is quite long so I have included only some parts of it. The Full letter is on the Link and well worth reading.

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Letter: 'As economists we believe the Labour party deserves to form the next UK government'

From David G Blanchflower and others

'The UK economy needs reform. For too long it has prioritised consumption over investment, short-term financial returns over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services.

The results are now plain. We have had 10 years of near zero productivity growth. Corporate investment has stagnated. Average earnings are still lower than in 2008. A gulf has arisen between London and the South East and the rest of the country. And public services are under intolerable strain — which the economic costs of a hard Brexit would only make worse. We now moreover face the urgent imperative of acting on the climate and environmental crisis.

Given private sector reluctance, what the UK economy needs is a serious injection of public investment, which can in turn leverage private finance attracted by the expectation of higher demand. Such investment needs to be directed into the large-scale and rapid decarbonisation of energy, transport, housing, industry and farming; the support of innovation- and export-oriented businesses; and public services. It is clear that this will require an active and green industrial strategy, aimed at improving productivity and spreading investment across the country....

..... As economists, and people who work in various fields of economic policy, we have looked closely at the economic prospectuses of the political parties. It seems clear to us that the Labour party has not only understood the deep problems we face, but has devised serious proposals for dealing with them. We believe it deserves to form the next government.'

David G Blanchflower
Bruce V Rauner Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College; Professor of Economics. University of Stirling; former member, Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee

Plus 162 other signatures from economists.

www.ft.com/content/d6f56834-0f78-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae

ColourMagic · 04/12/2019 12:36

"We have had 10 years of near zero productivity growth. Corporate investment has stagnated. Average earnings are still lower than in 2008. A gulf has arisen between London and the South East and the rest of the country. And public services are under intolerable strain.."

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Who wants 5 more years of that?

A child becomes homeless every 8 minutes in the UK. And the 6 richest people in the UK (with a combined wealth of £39.4 billion) are wealthier than the bottom 13.2 million.

ACautionaryTale · 04/12/2019 12:40

Why is it more viciously selfish to vote Tory to get Labour to change and than it is viciously selfish to vote Tory because it’s in a persons own self interest.

Surely that latter by definition is more viciously selfish.

Either way I’m voting Tory

lynsey91 · 04/12/2019 12:55

Almost everyone I know is voting conservative. It is only on mn that everyone is voting labour. I personally can't believe so many people would vote labour

Kazzyhoward · 04/12/2019 13:07

We have had 10 years of near zero productivity growth

When the crash happened (10 years ago) the leading economists at the time said the scale of the crash and the "costs" of keeping the economy moving would take 10 years and that we'd have 10 years of virtual stagnation before the economy would start to grow again.

Don't forget that Labour at the 2010 and 2015 elections were also promising pretty severe public spending cuts too to bring the economy back to health - there, of course, being a massive deficit that both main parties knew had to be controlled and reduced.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/12/2019 13:18

What's happened to this thread?

Unfortunately the flingers of insults and obscenities stepped their bile up a gear Sad

It's a shame some seem to find it hard to engage without descending to this, but well done to HQ for being on the ball with the deletions

ArseDarkly · 04/12/2019 13:55

I didn't fling any obscenities but it seems people don't want to own the decisions they make. there's no point making a goady statement about voting tory to change labour and then coming all over with the sad faces.

ArseDarkly · 04/12/2019 13:56

And, like I said, deleting it doesn't change the truth

Xenia · 04/12/2019 14:23

The letter from economists is from particularly left wing economists by the way so I am not sure people should go by that unless they analyse each of the signatories and believe them to be representative of economists in general.

The country will do a lot worse under Corbyn than the Conservative party.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/12/2019 14:24

Oh the truth

As in I am on the Tory payroll Grin

ArseDarkly will you support a change in Labour leader if Labour don’t win next week or don’t form a coalition?

Alsohuman · 04/12/2019 14:26

Of course it is @Xenia. You’re bound to say that. Have you examined all 163 of their political histories? Someone was trying to discredit them for being too old the other day.

ColourMagic · 04/12/2019 14:31

Historically the Tories are the party who always borrow the most.

Since 1946, in current prices, Labour has borrowed approximately £28 billion a year and the Tories £33.6 billion (those figures are adjusted to take account of the Tories being in government for more years).

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/11/13/the-tories-have-borrowed-67-5-of-uk-national-debt-since-1946/?fbclid=IwAR1xSKhtRug0-ySKfvlaQ8pQgt_cbzolk3hSV_ngPusg0ByDrTu7WgjUEdI

ACautionaryTale · 04/12/2019 15:00

The Tories have typically borrowed more because they are trying to fix Labour's mismanagement.

MaxNormal · 04/12/2019 15:04

It seems like we're on track for a no deal Brexit at the end of 2020 then. Johnson had just refused to rule it out. I'm sure Tory fans will spin it as a negotiation tactic but it was clearly his plan all along.

ArseDarkly · 04/12/2019 15:22

Once again, Enthusiam you are replying to a post of mine directly responding to someone else. And i'm pretty sure you've asked me that same tedious question about the labour leadership before too.

Find someone who's interested in your crap please, I've got serious stuff to worry about.

Kazzyhoward · 04/12/2019 15:25

The Tories have typically borrowed more because they are trying to fix Labour's mismanagement.

Brown's legacy was a collossal annual deficit. Whoever won in 2010 was going to have a huge deficit for the next 5 years as you can't turn that around quickly. Even Labour were forecasting large annual deficits throughout the years after Brown which was why, they too, were promising pretty big cuts to public spending.

ArseDarkly · 04/12/2019 16:05

What's the excuse going to be for the next 5 years I wonder?

CendrillonSings · 04/12/2019 16:08

What's the excuse going to be for the next 5 years I wonder?

We can do a lot more austerity and close the deficit instantly if you like. Osborne was criticized by other Tories for dragging out deficit reduction so as to lessen the pain, but clearly you’re made of sterner stuff!

Alsohuman · 04/12/2019 16:12

It seems like we're on track for a no deal Brexit at the end of 2020 then

Austerity’s going to look like a spending spree if that happens.

HeIenaDove · 04/12/2019 16:14

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Of course it is @Xenia. You’re bound to say that. Have you examined all 163 of their political histories? Someone was trying to discredit them for being too old the other day

How hypocritical considering the Tories have been mooting people working until they are 75

And before anyone says "it was just a think tank" The same think tank came up with Universal Credit.

Justanotherlurker · 04/12/2019 16:19

And before anyone says "it was just a think tank" The same think tank came up with Universal Credit.

That had cross party support.....

Alsohuman · 04/12/2019 16:29

At least one of those economists has been critical of Labour in the past

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Five who took the lead in promoting the letter included David Blanchflower, professor of economics at Dartmouth College, in the US, who publicly fell out with Jeremy Corbyn, writing in 2016 that under Mr Corbyn: “Labour does not seem to have a credible economic plan.”