AIBU to think that Mumsnet is becoming increasingly less feminist and that this..

[BertrandRussell]

..is a bad thing?

So basically pro-forced birth and a rape apologist.

Full house

Meganc559

What do you think about the figures I posted up there? ^

Rape has gone up however the majority of cases are usually dismissed as alcohol was involved and the women claimed she didn't consent, when alot of the time the women just didn't like the fact she slept with that man and claim he raped her

On the off chance you’re not just being goady with that comment, do you have figures to back this up?

You said:

Yes it requires a'host'

If you don't think that's the accurate term megan then it might be a good idea not to agree with the person using it and use it yourself.

Also, this is something you have invented:

Rape has gone up however the majority of cases are usually dismissed as alcohol was involved and the women claimed she didn't consent, when alot of the time the women just didn't like the fact she slept with that man and claim he raped her

You may as well have just written the word cheese 48 times: it would have been as well argued and evidenced and relevant.

I don’t thing anything we say will change megan’s mind. Shall we move on?

I m just Puting my point across I will stop op as I realise I m barking up the wrong tree and I m getting anywhere lol.
I HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION THO

If Meganc559 is actually a woman, that’s one of the sadist posts I’ve read in a very long time. Religion, childhood or female socialisation has really done a number one you Megan and I hope you can soon stop feeling guilty for the fact that you’re a woman. It’s not a bad thing to be a woman fighting for equality of treatment Megan.

Megan- I’m up for a discussion. You need to be able to back up your starements though. Could you start with the rape statistics?

It's a difficult one OP. Certain levels of stupid and/or vile do offer the opportunity to dissect them and point out the massive flaws for the benefit of those reading, rather than the individual espousing them. OTOH it tends to stop being helpful after a point. So it's when to stop engaging really.

To go back to earlier stuff about the gendering of childhood, this something that has bugged me for 25 years, since I was pregnant with DD1 and trying to buy neutral babygros for a baby whose sex I didn't know. I'm not sure what drives the massive societal compulsion to give girls books about mermaids and princesses and boys books about pirates and rally drivers, or why the majority of children's books still have male protagonists.

Girls are trained from birth that looks matter, and that their social role is to give way to males. It's no surprise that so many women don't spot a controlling male until too late.

I get that we re the ones that have to carry the child to term however if you weren't prepared for that then don't have unprotected sex

Feminism aside do you think it is a good idea for both men and women (assuming that the baby half 'belongs' to the man) to be forced to have babies they don't want? That's a recipe for disaster surely? Sex is a part of adult relationships - are you honestly saying it should only be for procreation? I think you are living on another planet frankly.

It's fine to be anti abortion and believe that any baby you carry is half the man's but across society that isn't something others are likely to accept (including interestingly feckless males who may want the woman to abort)

Another thing about the increased gendering of stuff is that it means you can’t necessarily hand stuff down. A marketing triumph with an unintended sexist consequence.
When I had my first child the idea of a “girl’s pram” didn’t exist.

when alot of the time the women just didn't like the fact she slept with that man and claim he raped her

For most women who have slept with someone and regretted it they are likely to want to keep the sorry episode private rather than running down to the police station to inform the whole local constabulary. Don't you think?

Kate Long, who is @volewriter on Twitter, does excellent threads about all the gendered shite in shops.

JacquesHammer
But women choose their oppression don't you know? Why won't you think of the men?
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The thing that sets my teeth on edge are girls and boys bikes 🤷🏻‍♀️🤔

Good point Bert please don't tell me you can get gendered high chairs or walkers now as well!

I was trying to buy a birthday card for a niece and every card seemed to be pink, or have unicorns or princesses on the front.

Oh yes unicorns as well. Because people with a vagina want a onesie with some stupid horn that stabs them in the neck every time they sit down 🙄

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Based on my shopping experiences for the new arrival, if it exists for babies then it can be gendered.

Bertrand I totally agree about the marketing. Fortunately we're part of a vast family so there was always someone who could use it next.

Ironically if you look back even to the 1950s there was much more overlap between boys and girls clothes, shoes and basic toys.

And I didn't know that prams now came as 'boys' and 'girls'. Bloody stupid.

@HandsOffMyRights-avert your eyes....

Good grief!
I think it needs more pink though

Ironically if you look back even to the 1950s there was much more overlap between boys and girls clothes, shoes and basic toys.

Well basically consumerism and economic growth has led to more division between boys and girls. People buy more so there is more potential for it.

People having more money also leads to children being enrolled in more activities, boys football and rugby/ girls tend to do dance or gymnastics. Both are expected to do swimming. Of course there are exceptions and girls do do football, boys do dance etc and schools are more equal than in the 80s when only girls did sewing at primary school.

The baby doesn't look that happy either 😂😂

If you put a boy in that high chair he’d obvs become a girl these days.

If you’d done it in the 80s he’d become gay.

In the 70s everything was brown and pink hadn’t been invented.

I think the tray needs a pink unicorn...

I agree about activities too. Oddly, riding is dominated by girls, though I have always wondered if that is to do with it being an acceptable way of getting covered in mud while dealing with half a ton of animal, and not feeling that you're entering a male arena to do so. There is a certain sense of power when you're aboard a horse which is rather wonderful when you're a teenaged girl.